[151447] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (joe mcguckin)
Thu Mar 22 00:24:35 2012
From: joe mcguckin <joe@via.net>
In-Reply-To: <16083253.7473.1332356332235.JavaMail.root@benjamin.baylink.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:23:18 -0700
To: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
My understanding was that fiber loops were originally included in UNE =
products available to clecs but several years ago the FCC modified the =
regulations to remove them.
So, if a service can be provisioned over a copper loop, a clec can offer =
it, but the ilec doesn't have to share fiber loops or services =
provisioned over fiber loops. I guess that explains=20
the frenzy of fiber-to-the-curb buildout we saw with Pac Bell in the =
early 2000's. I don't think ATT/PacBell has been ripping out copper, but =
much of it in the SF Bay area is a rotting=20
mess and ATT hasn't been spending much money to maintain it.
Now that the DSL clecs are all but extinct, the pace of fiber buildout =
to the end-user has slowed down considerably.
Joe McGuckin
ViaNet Communications
joe@via.net
650-207-0372 cell
650-213-1302 office
650-969-2124 fax
On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Wieling" <EWieling@nyigc.com>
>=20
>> Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
>> locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
>> prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
>> copper infrastructure. If there was copper at a location then VZ =
would
>> be required to resell it and nobody would be locked out.
>=20
> TTBOMK, whether Verizon has copper to a building has *no bearing at =
all*
> on whether a CLEC can place an order for wholesale service to that =
location;
> VZN is *required* to provide that wholesale service, at the regulated =
NRC
> and MRC rates, whether they currently happen to have the physical =
facilities
> in place or not -- are you alleging either that I've misunderstood =
that,
> or that VZN is refusing such orders *simply* because they've removed
> facilities to an address where FiOS has done an install?
>=20
> Cause either of those ought to violate the rules.
>=20
>> We often get customers in buildings lit by Verizon fiber service who
>> want to change carriers. Too bad they can't anymore. Technically they
>> can switch providers. Verizon will remove the fiber, re-install
>> copper, and have the customer down for a week or so.
>=20
> See above.
>=20
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --=20
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink =
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