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Re: Megaupload.com seized
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rodrick Brown)
Fri Jan 20 01:07:48 2012
In-Reply-To: <4A41FC6DBA124A25B6BBA6D8F2877AAD@smithwaIntell>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:07:01 -0500
From: Rodrick Brown <rodrick.brown@gmail.com>
To: James Smith <james@smithwaysecurity.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:30 PM, James Smith <james@smithwaysecurity.com>w=
rote:
> I can only imagine the bloodbath this will cause.!!
Show me a file sharing site with no illegal content! This is just insane.
What's quite interesting is that Rapper/Producer Swiss BeatZ is the current
CEO of megaupload how ironic.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Bellovin
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:07 AM
> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
> Cc: james@smithwaysecurity.com ; NANOG
> Subject: Re: Megaupload.com seized
>
> I don't mean either -- I've only skimmed the indictment. But from the
> news stories, it would *appear* that they got a search or wiretap warrant
> to get at employees' email. I don't see how that would make it "not
> private". (Btw -- "due diligence" is a civil suit concept; this is a
> criminal case.) The prosecution is trying to claim that the targets
> had actual knowledge of what was going on.
>
> I do know Orin Kerr, however. He's a former federal prosecutor and he's
> *very* sharp, and I've never known him to be wrong on straight-forward
> legal issues like this. He himself may not have all the facts himself.
> But here are two sample paragraphs from the indictment:
>
> On or about August 31, 2006, VAN DER KOLK sent an e-mail to an
> associate entitled lol. Attached to the message was a screenshot
> of a Megaupload.com file download page for the file Alcohol 120
> 1.9.5 3105complete.rar with a description of Alcohol 120, con
> crack!!!! By ChaOtiX!. The copyrighted software Alcohol 120 is
> a CD/DVD burning software program sold by www.alcohol-soft.com.
>
> and
>
> On or about June 24, 2010, members of the Mega Conspiracy were
> informed, pursuant to a criminal search warrant from the U.S.
> District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, that thirty-nine
> infringing copies of copyrighted motion pictures were believed to
> be present on their leased servers at Carpathia Hosting in Ashburn,
> Virginia. On or about June 29, 2010, after receiving a copy of
> the criminal search warrant, ORTMANN sent an e-mail entitled Re:
> Search Warrant Urgent to DOTCOM and three representatives of
> Carpathia Hosting in the Eastern District of Virginia. In the
> e-mail, ORTMANN stated, The user/payment credentials supplied in
> the warrant identify seven Mega user accounts, and further that
> The 39 supplied MD5 hashes identify mostly very popular files that
> have been uploaded by over 2000 different users so far[.] The Mega
> Conspiracy has continued to store copies of at least thirty-six
> of the thirty-nine motion pictures on its servers after the Mega
> Conspiracy was informed of the infringing content.
>
> (I got the indictment from http://static2.stuff.co.nz/**
> files/MegaUpload.pdf <http://static2.stuff.co.nz/files/MegaUpload.pdf>
> -- while I'd prefer to use a DoJ site cite, for some reason their web
> server is very slow right now...)
>
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> Er I'm sorry but do you mean joeschmoe@corp.megaupload.com type
>> emails, or joeschmoe@hotmail.com type emails?
>>
>> If megaupload's corporate email was siezed to provide due diligence in
>> such a prosecution - it would quite probably not constitute private
>> mail
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Steven Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Megaupload case is unusual, said Orin S. Kerr, a law professo=
r
>>> at George Washington University, in that federal prosecutors
>>> obtained
>>> the private e-mails of Megaupload=92s operators in an effort to s=
how
>>> they
>>> were operating in bad faith.
>>>
>>> "The government hopes to use their private words against them,"
>>> Mr. Kerr
>>> said. "This should scare the owners and operators of similar
>>> sites."
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
>>
>>
>
> --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~**smb<https://www.cs.colum=
bia.edu/~smb>
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