[147547] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 47, Issue 56
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (oliver rothschild)
Wed Dec 14 14:35:59 2011
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:34:56 -0500
From: oliver rothschild <orothschild@gmail.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
This is my first e-mail to the list and I hope it is not entirely
inappropriate. We are attempting to use Juniper single-mode SFPs (LX
variety) across multi-mode fiber. Standard listed distance is always
for SFPs using the appropriate type of fiber. Does anyone out there
know how much distance we are likely to get? Thanks for your help in
advance.
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> =A0 1. Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0censorship (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
> =A0 2. RE: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0censorship (O'Reirdan, Michael)
> =A0 3. Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas
> =A0 =A0 =A0Bonus Has Arrived) (John Curran)
> =A0 4. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Leigh Porter)
> =A0 5. Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0censorship (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
> =A0 6. Re: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived
> =A0 =A0 =A0(bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com)
> =A0 7. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Justin M. Streiner)
> =A0 8. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Mark Tinka)
> =A0 9. Multiple ISP Load Balancing (Holmes,David A)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:42:51 +0530
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>
> To: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0censorship
> Message-ID:
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> I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal
> departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
>
> If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with
> something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
>
> The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than
> would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
>
> --srs
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wr=
ote:
>>
>> ?Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the
>> ? ?DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill
>> ?Authors:
>> ? ?Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc.
>> ? ?David Dagon, Georgia Tech
>> ? ?Dan Kaminsky, DKH
>> ? ?Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc.
>> ? ?Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
>
>
>
> --
> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:36:59 +0000
> From: "O'Reirdan, Michael" <Michael_OReirdan@Cable.Comcast.com>
> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>, Hal Murray
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<hmurray@megapathdsl.net>
> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: RE: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0censorship
> Message-ID:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<B13238AB0CB1514B9509DEEE5F98F2E00DE39363@PACDCEXMB13.cabl=
e.comcast.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
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> MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA.
>
> http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR3261=
_Comments_2011-12.pdf
>
> Mike
> ________________________________________
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com]
> Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12
> To: Hal Murray
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against cens=
orship
>
> I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal
> departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
>
> If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with
> something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
>
> The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than
> would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
>
> --srs
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wr=
ote:
>>
>> =A0Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the
>> =A0 =A0DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill
>> =A0Authors:
>> =A0 =A0Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc.
>> =A0 =A0David Dagon, Georgia Tech
>> =A0 =A0Dan Kaminsky, DKH
>> =A0 =A0Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc.
>> =A0 =A0Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
>
>
>
> --
> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:18:56 +0000
> From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
> To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bonus Has Arrived)
> Message-ID: <131B2DA4-7C99-4DB8-924A-EBCB27EF9BF0@arin.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
>> I believe this company is the one that sold the MS & Borders blocks, so =
they may be "legit" (whatever that means in this context).
>
> I also do not know what "legit" means in this context, but will note
> that we have added a public list of all recognized specified transfer
> facilitators to the ARIN web site:
>
> <https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html>
>
> Facilitators are aware of ARIN's address transfer policies and agree to
> comply with same. =A0Note that any qualifying parties may transfer space =
in
> compliance with policy, but folks may find it easier to work with one of
> these facilitators to find a matching party for transfer. =A0Facilitators=
may
> make use of information in the optional Specified Transfer Listing Servic=
e
> (which lists those who have space available or prequalify as a recipient)
> but not required to do so. =A0Similarly, parties which may have space ava=
ilable
> for transfer or wish to prequalify in advance to receive address space vi=
a
> transfer may also register in the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STL=
S).
> More information is available on the ARIN web site <www.arin.net> under
> "IPv4 SPECIFIED TRANSFER OPTIONS" section.
>
> FYI (and Happy Holidays :-)
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:30:06 +0000
> From: Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com>
> To: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived)
> Message-ID: <8C3137B6-7690-4CF5-85B2-594E450CDB7B@ukbroadband.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
>
> I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
>
> http://www.iptrading.com/news/news.htm
>
>
> --
> Leigh
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 12:21, "John Curran" <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>>
>>> I believe this company is the one that sold the MS & Borders blocks, so=
they may be "legit" (whatever that means in this context).
>>
>> I also do not know what "legit" means in this context, but will note
>> that we have added a public list of all recognized specified transfer
>> facilitators to the ARIN web site:
>>
>> <https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html>
>>
>> Facilitators are aware of ARIN's address transfer policies and agree to
>> comply with same. =A0Note that any qualifying parties may transfer space=
in
>> compliance with policy, but folks may find it easier to work with one of
>> these facilitators to find a matching party for transfer. =A0Facilitator=
s may
>> make use of information in the optional Specified Transfer Listing Servi=
ce
>> (which lists those who have space available or prequalify as a recipient=
)
>> but not required to do so. =A0Similarly, parties which may have space av=
ailable
>> for transfer or wish to prequalify in advance to receive address space v=
ia
>> transfer may also register in the Specified Transfer Listing Service (ST=
LS).
>> More information is available on the ARIN web site <www.arin.net> under
>> "IPv4 SPECIFIED TRANSFER OPTIONS" section.
>>
>> FYI (and Happy Holidays :-)
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:01:06 +0530
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>
> To: "O'Reirdan, Michael" <Michael_OReirdan@cable.comcast.com>
> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>, Hal Murray
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<hmurray@megapathdsl.net>
> Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0censorship
> Message-ID:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<CAArzuotafMx+1mRFT9dLqYyRvhyFBsPg=3DCir48-Ez=3DQZxLLEPw@m=
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>
> Wonderful. =A0I would urge SPs based stateside to strongly consider
> endorsing the MAAWG comments.
>
> thanks
> suresh
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, O'Reirdan, Michael
> <Michael_OReirdan@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
>> MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA.
>>
>> http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR326=
1_Comments_2011-12.pdf
>>
>> Mike
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12
>> To: Hal Murray
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against cen=
sorship
>>
>> I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal
>> departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
>>
>> If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with
>> something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
>>
>> The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than
>> would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
>>
>> --srs
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> w=
rote:
>>>
>>> ?Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the
>>> ? ?DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill
>>> ?Authors:
>>> ? ?Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc.
>>> ? ?David Dagon, Georgia Tech
>>> ? ?Dan Kaminsky, DKH
>>> ? ?Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc.
>>> ? ?Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:10:52 +0000
> From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
> To: Chaim Rieger <chaim.rieger@gmail.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived
> Message-ID: <20111214141052.GA7933@vacation.karoshi.com.>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:07:44PM -0800, Chaim Rieger wrote:
>> What do you have for those that don't do the whole Jesus thing ?
>
> babalyonian fertility icons? =A0(you -did- bring an evergreen tree into y=
our
> home, yes?)
>
> /bill
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:16:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner@cluebyfour.org>
> To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived)
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1112140906460.30735@whammy.cluebyfour.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>> I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
>>
>> http://www.iptrading.com/news/news.htm
>
> Some of which seems to float between fear-mongering, possibly
> mis-appropriated quotes, half-truths and information that is flat-out
> wrong. =A0I would not trust the judgment and opinions of someone who even
> admitted in one of their blog posts that they had "no hands-on Service
> Provider IPv6 experience."
>
> While I can understand why IPv4 address brokers would take a decidedly
> anti-IPv6 stance (deploying IPv6 cuts into their potential business), tha=
t
> doesn't make it any less underhanded.
>
> jms
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:18:41 +0800
> From: Mark Tinka <mtinka@globaltransit.net>
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Cc: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Christmas Bonus Has Arrived)
> Message-ID: <201112142218.42329.mtinka@globaltransit.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 08:30:06 PM Leigh Porter
> wrote:
>
>> I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
>>
>> http://www.iptrading.com/news/news.htm
>
> I'd have been more impressed if they actually came up with
> the stories by themselves, as opposed to linking to existing
> stories that their link titles take out of context.
>
> Mark.
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> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:07:04 -0800
> From: "Holmes,David A" <dholmes@mwdh2o.com>
> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Multiple ISP Load Balancing
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> >From time to time some have posted questions asking if BGP load balancer=
s such as the old Routescience Pathcontrol device are still around, and if =
not what have others found to replace that function. I have used the Routes=
cience device with much success 10 years ago when it first came on the mark=
et, but since then a full BGP feed has become much larger, Routescience has=
been bought by Avaya, then discontinued, and other competitors such as Soc=
keye, Netvmg have been acquired by other companies.
>
> Doing some research on how load balancing can be accomplished in 2011, I =
have come across Cisco's performance routing feature, and features from loa=
d balancing companies such as F5's Link Controller. I have always found BGP=
to be easy to work with, and an elegant, simple solution to load balancing=
using a route-reflector configuration in which one BGP client (Routescienc=
e Pathcontrol in my background) learns the best route to destination networ=
ks, and then announces that best route to BGP border routers using common a=
nd widely understood BGP concepts such as communities and local pref, and f=
ound this to lead to a deterministic Internet routing architecture. This re=
quired a knowledge only of IETF standards (common BGP concepts and configur=
ations), required no specialized scripting, or any other knowledge lying ou=
tside IETF boundaries, and it seemed reasonable to expect that network engi=
neers should eagerly and enthusiastically want to master this technology, j=
ust as any other technology must be mastered to run high availability netwo=
rks.
>
> So I am wondering if anyone has experience with implementing load balanci=
ng across multiple ISP links in 2011, and if there have been any comparison=
s between IETF standards-based methods using BGP, and other proprietary met=
hods which may use a particular vendor's approach to solving the same probl=
em, but involves some complexity with more variables to be plugged in to th=
e architecture.
>
> David
>
>
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