[147511] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Sad IPv4 story?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joel jaeggli)
Tue Dec 13 00:52:28 2011
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:51:14 -0800
From: Joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
To: Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com>
In-Reply-To: <D181DDABABE57E4DB72FEE003314786445941F@EALPO1.ukbroadband.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 12/12/11 02:05 , Leigh Porter wrote:
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vitkovsky, Adam
>> [mailto:avitkovsky@emea.att.com] Sent: 12 December 2011 09:19 To:
>> Eric Parsonage; Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Sad IPv4 story?
>>
>>> and models that doesn't take "we may not get IPv4 space" into
>>> account
>> and have
>>> a contingency plan for that *deserves* to be soundly mocked and
>> ridiculed in
>>> public.
>>
>> That's right
>>
>> However the original post was concerning a fresh new ISP that can't
>> run their business the way they would like Maybe they'd like to
>> build an mpls core which right now is not possible with only ipv6
>> at hand I'd like to see the business model to build an mpls network
>> with all the features we're used to -but solely on ipv6 -I guess
>> the plan would be let's wait a couple years till it gets
>> implemented and mature enough
>
> Well really this is pretty much our fault. IPv6 has been on peoples
> 'back burner' for far too long. Additional vendor pressure and
> pressure at the IETF would have pushed things forward far faster had
> people actually been interested in doing so.
>
> As per an earlier post, I am shocked at how I still have vendors
> coming to me with equipment that is nowhere near ready for commercial
> IPv6 deployment, it either just does not work, is half baked or is
> "on the roadmap".
>
> So now we will reap the consequences and it will be at the cost of
> new market entrants (which I am sure will please some people) and
> perhaps cold hard cash for those who cannot expand their business or
> have to 'buy' address space.
New market entrants are the customers of existing operators, so their
plight and the feasibility of being a new market entrant impacts our
bottom lines.
> I know a lot of people have been working hard to move IPv6 along both
> here, at NANOG and other events and with their vendors. It's because
> of those people, like Randy perhaps that we actually have what we do
> now else most people would still be stuck with their heads in the
> sand.
>
> Well, I am sure it'll all be OK in the end...
>
> -- Leigh
>
>
>
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