[147423] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Sad IPv4 story?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Fri Dec 9 17:06:47 2011
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <4EE27FC4.7070201@ai.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:04:49 -0500
To: deepak@ai.net
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
> I can tell you that (as of Dec 2011) *lots and lots* of networks (big =
ones, even some of the biggest) are in no real position to support =
nearly universal customer IPv6 service yet. There are networks that have =
IPv6 "somewhere".. but even where we've been requesting IPv6 turned up =
alongside existing IPv4 sessions sometimes the turnaround is months and =
months with lots of repeated banging -- even where the gear and the =
uplinks support it.
I think you are working with the wrong carriers in that case perhaps? =
As part of a turn-up this year, IPv6 was a standard question, including =
the IP/BGP request form that had separate tabs for IPv6 and address =
space requests along-side the IPv4 BGP/space request. The cases were =
with Cogent and Abovenet for connections in the US. I know that NTT can =
also do IPv6 as well. I think that some of what you may be terming the =
big-guys such as at&t and verizon/uunet are still behind the curve but =
they are largely in the managed services and not internet space from =
what I can tell. Internet is a side thing they sell and not a primary =
line of business.
> Some of this is that (esp internal) tools still aren't where they need =
to be. Some of this is that once we IPv6 becomes the "standard"... well, =
security and other concerns will challenge all the infrastructure in =
place.
I do agree that most tools seem to be IPv4 centric these days at least =
for management of the device (Eg: no SNMP over IPv6 only).
You can do much of the monitoring over IPv6.
=20
> And this is all before you get into issues of inconsistent views of =
the IPv6 RIB, and the rest.
While this still exists, this is something that will resolve itself with =
increased adoption.
>=20
> Just my opinion, hopefully someone else has a better experience.
My experience as well.
- Jared=
