[147323] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [fyodor@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Dec 7 02:39:07 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <48621.1323224403@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:35:06 -0800
To: "<Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:20 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> =
<Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:10:14 PST, Owen DeLong said:
>=20
>> No, a Trojan is malware. Any software which operates without the
>> knowledge or consent of the user to engage in operations the user =
would
>> not reasonably expect is not being used for good, no matter how well
>> intentioned.
>=20
> Strictly speaking, it's "without the knowledge or consent of the =
*owner*". Especially
> in corporate environments, "owner" !=3D "user".
I would argue that the superset applies in a proper definition here.
Software which operates with the knowledge and consent of the owner, =
but, not the
knowledge or consent of the end-user is still, IMHO, nefarious at best.
Owen
