[147311] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [fyodor@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Dec 6 21:16:05 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <1323215369.82533.YahooMailNeo@web162112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:10:14 -0800
To: "andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace@rocketmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Carrier IQ does not qualify as a good use of a Trojan and comes about as =
close to your definition as I can think of.
No, a Trojan is malware. Any software which operates without the =
knowledge or consent of the user to engage in operations the user would =
not reasonably expect is not being used for good, no matter how well =
intentioned.
Owen
On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, andrew.wallace wrote:
> A trojan can be used for good if in the right hands as a remote access =
tool for business use.
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> Andrew
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> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>
> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [fyodor@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling =
Nmap with malware!]
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> On 12/6/2011 13:30, andrew.wallace wrote:
>> It could be argued that Nmap is malware, and such software has =
already been called to be made illegal.
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>> If I was Cnet, I would stop distributing his software altogether.
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>> Link: http://nmap.org/book/legal-issues.html
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> If this is not trolling and you actually believe this, just wow.....
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> Nmap is just a tool, and any tool can be misused by people for =
criminal acts.
> It's really no different than a gun in that regard. Both are =
incredibly
> useful things in the right hands, mere tools to further security. =
However in
> the wrong hands they can be used to commit crimes and break other =
peoples
> security.
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> Bryan Fields
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