[147066] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Holmes,David A)
Thu Dec 1 12:27:33 2011
From: "Holmes,David A" <dholmes@mwdh2o.com>
To: "manager@monmouth.com" <manager@monmouth.com>, "nanog@nanog.org"
<nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:26:13 -0800
In-Reply-To: <4ED7A2C7.7010105@monmouth.com>
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Personally, I have worked in places where I have performed all of the skill=
s below (router/switch/Unix/Linux/AD/firewall/proxy/web admin/sendmail admi=
n, etc.), and also in places where just router/switch/architect layer 1-3 s=
kills were the primary focus. I prefer the latter, and find this to be a pe=
rsonal choice as to what makes for a meaningful and fulfilling job. The fac=
t that so few network engineers are to be found with all of these skills, I=
think, speaks for itself in that many network engineers have made the choi=
ce, and that choice is to be focused on layers 1-3, which, with DWDM throug=
h BGP, offers many challenging, different, and varied technology complexiti=
es the mastery of which makes work meaningful and rewarding.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stevens [mailto:manager@monmouth.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
It takes me years to find such people and when I do, I try very hard to
keep them! I have 3 key people that fit the "soft" attribute criteria
Randal mentioned, but with a premium skill set in their specific
function. Good luck with your task Leigh!
Mark Stevens
On 12/1/2011 10:21 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
> I am looking for just such a person now. Good Juniper, some Cisco and Sys=
admin experience with an ISP background..
>
> I expect it will be immensely difficult to find somebody. What makes it e=
ven more frustrating is that just such a person was not all that long ago m=
ade redundant!
>
> So if anybody is looking for something to do around London...
>
> --
> Leigh
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: randal k [mailto:nanog@data102.com]
>> Sent: 01 December 2011 15:19
>> To: Bill Stewart
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
>>
>> This is a huge point. We've had a LOT of trouble finding good network
>> engineers who have all of the previously mentioned "soft" attributes -
>> attitude, team player, can write, can speak, can run a small project -
>> and
>> are more than just Cisco pimps. I cannot explain how frustrating it is
>> to
>> meet a newly minted CCNP who has zero Linux experience, can't script
>> anything, can't setup a syslog server, doesn't understand AD much less
>> LDAP, etc. Imagine, an employee who can help themselves 90% of the time
>> ...
>>
>> Finding the diamond that has strong niche skill, networking, with a
>> broad&
>> just-deep-enough sysadmin background has been very, very hard. I cannot
>> emphasize enough the importance of cross-training. Immensely valuable.
>>
>> Randal
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stewart<nonobvious@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And yeah, sometimes it means that you need to go
>>> learn technologies like Active Directory
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> In addition to learning scripting languages
>>>
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