[146878] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network device command line interfaces
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike McBride)
Thu Nov 24 00:18:01 2011
In-Reply-To: <20111124045351.GJ33241@macbook.bluepipe.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:17:09 -0800
From: Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com>
To: Phil Regnauld <regnauld@nsrc.org>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
> Yes, don't buy the cheap stuff :)
Until we do, the other stuff remains expensive.
mike
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Phil Regnauld <regnauld@nsrc.org> wrote:
> Jonathon Exley (Jonathon.Exley) writes:
>> However vendors of low cost routers/switches/muxes
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hi Jonathon, have you ever tried to work with a Catalyst E=
xpress 500 ?
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A good example of a fully functional IOS device, where the=
vendor went
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0out of their way to disable Telnet/SSH, and force one to r=
un CLI
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0commands via the a Web UI. =A0You can do everything, but e=
ven "vty 0 x"
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and "transport input telnet" won't give access.
>
>> seem to take a stab in the dark and produce some really nasty stuff.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Cisco isn't exactly low cost, but the point here is exactl=
y that:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0take away CLI and tools that make automation easier, so th=
at customers
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0will feel compelled to buy the more expensive stuff if the=
y want
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the fancy stuff (which, in this case, is actually LESS fan=
cy).
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0It's not incompetence, it's called crippleware, and it's a=
business
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0model :)
>
>> Maybe the vendors need some sort
>> of best practices guide for what manageability features their kit
>> needs to support to make them acceptable to the market. Does anyone
>> know if there is anything along these lines?
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Yes, don't buy the cheap stuff :)
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Phil
>
>
