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Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIR Transfers - Last Call (expires in one
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Conrad)
Thu Nov 10 12:01:07 2011
From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGWNzWp4WOGTquZdua5gjLi3btsY7TXLkSi9EObVef+6Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:59:35 -0800
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Bill,
On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:48 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>> i am sure the americans who think all address space should righfully =
be
>> theirs can dream up paranoid scenarios for anything. but dear =
canute,
>> the tide is coming, get over it or get wet.
> You're fortunate that you speak for a minority.
I don't think Randy speaks for anyone but himself. Some may, however, =
agree with him.
> If you didn't, we'd
> tell the bunch of you to go to hell instead of valiantly seeking to
> improve the situation in which APNIC finds itself.
Seriously?
It is this sort of attitude that resulted in me giving up in disgust =
with the whole RIR circus. Well that and a curious note from ARIN =
counsel (at the direction of ARIN's board) to my then corporate counsel =
purportedly "expressing concern" about statements I made in a personal =
capacity on NANOG. Quite amusing, actually, but still disgusting.
A tiny dose of reality:=20
- The Internet (and world population as a whole) is growing most rapidly =
in the Asia/Pacific region.=20
- There are companies who demand IPv4 addresses for which the combined =
yearly budgets of all the RIRs amounts to little more than a small =
fraction of what those companies spend on their lawyers alone.
- APNIC no longer has IPv4 addresses to meet that demand.
- There now at least 4 different organizations offering IPv4 addresses =
for sale (addrex.net, kalorama.com, tradeipv4.com, ipv4marketgroup.com) =
who are now participating in an estimated at $6 - $8 Billion market (and =
that's just legacy space).
And you believe the couple of hundred folks who participate in ARIN are =
going to stand in the way of those business interests? I might gently =
suggest it would probably be more useful to figure out how the new =
market players and the "legacy" RIRs can coexist in a way that doesn't =
do severe damage to the Internet than it is to discuss how to rearrange =
the deck chairs in ever more intricate designs in order to try to =
maintain unjustifiable monopolies.
I might suggest that but as I said, I gave up in disgust. Tell King =
Canute's advisors I said "hi".
Regards,
-drc
