[145642] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (TR Shaw)
Thu Oct 13 18:41:55 2011
From: TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com>
In-Reply-To: <0B224A2FE01CC54C860290D42474BF600505AE9C@exchange.nff.local>
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:40:54 -0400
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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I have been following this thread for a while and I will have to say I =
am a tad confused.
Remote wipe has been in the iPhone since iOS3.1.3 And if your phone is =
locked it will wipe after 10 (if I remember correctly) failed unlock =
attempts.
My iPhone communicates completely encrypted. It is set to VPN back to =
our office. And if we didn't wan't to do that we could could use TLS =
on our mail to keep that traffic encrypted. But encrypt all is the best =
approach for us.
Personally, I hate mail push. I watch folks in meetings constantly =
looking down or typing some response and never fully listening to the =
speakers and not fully engaged in the meeting. Additionally, mail push =
is indiscriminate and just interrupts my train of thought when I am =
working. If a communique is truly important whomever can =
iMessage,SMS,jabber/POTS me; otherwise the mail can just wait till I =
check my inbox. I understand others feel differently. =20
On an iPhone today you can get push from exchange, iCloud/iMap, =
Gmail/GCloud, Yahoo, OSX Server (I believe) or set your phone the check =
every x minutes (after all what could be so important that 15 latency =
minutes would cause a catastrophe? (During many catastrophe situations =
sms could take hours or the voice cell network could be tied up and are =
you that close to whatever to be able to react). If you need instant =
response... script it.
As for filtering, its one of my issues about my iPhone. However, iOS5 =
supports message flagging and a filter script back on your desktop =
(where Mail does accept/process message push via IDLE) can flag a =
message which will sync to your iPhone.
Lastly I have never liked RIM's model. It basically inculcates the idea =
that "man in the middle" is a good thing which it is not.
Just my 2=A2
Tom
On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Erik Soosalu wrote:
> Any idea of when Apple's ActiveSync Implementation will close the gap
> with what BES does?
>=20
> Like maybe having Important message notifications? Categories? =
Filters?
>=20
> I use an iPhone, but mail handling on it is lacking.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff@ox.com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:44 AM
> To: 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
> Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
> Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
>=20
> It's called Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync :)=20
>=20
> It works with Android, Apple and Microsoft devices. I believe both =
Lotus
> and Groupwise have licensed and support it as well. We have a few (but
> now, very few) blackberry users remaining. They won't let it go until =
we
> rip it out of their hands.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jamie Bowden [mailto:jamie@photon.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:36 AM
>> To: Joe Abley
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
>>=20
>> You are correct. The BES uses PSKs to talk to RIM's servers, which
> then
>> uses them to talk to the devices over the carrier networks. All of
> this
>> was in complete failure mode until sometime overnight when it appears
> to
>> have all started flowing again. Someday either Google or Apple will
> get
>> off their rear ends and roll out an end to end encrypted service that
>> plugs into corporate email/calendar/workgroup services and we can all
>> gladly toss these horrid little devices in the recycle bins where =
they
>> belong.
>>=20
>> Jamie
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley@hopcount.ca]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:06 PM
>>> To: Phil Regnauld
>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 2011-10-12, at 18:02, Phil Regnauld wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Joe Abley (jabley) writes:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Email on my iPhone is working fine.. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The blackberry message service is centralised with a lot of
>>> processing intelligence in the core. Messaging services that use the
>>> core as a simple transport and shift the processing intelligence to
>> the
>>> edge have different, less-dramatic failure modes.
>>>>=20
>>>> This is not the case for corporate customers with dedicated
>>> servers,
>>>> AFAIU.
>>>=20
>>> I'm no expert, but my understanding is that at some/most/all traffic
>>> between handhelds and a BES, carried from the handheld device
> through
>> a
>>> cellular network, still flows through RIM.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Joe
>=20
>=20
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