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Re: Exploiting a non-facilities CLEC relationship

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jon Lewis)
Wed Aug 17 11:57:03 2011

Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org>
To: Charles N Wyble <charles@knownelement.com>
In-Reply-To: <4E4A0949.4060004@knownelement.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote:

> On 08/15/2011 10:14 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Graham Wooden wrote:
>> If I understand your question, yes.  We did this some time ago.  Colo
>> in various ILEC and CLEC central offices,
>
> Um. Doesn't colo in various ILEC/CLEC CO == facilities based CLEC?

That depends on your definition of "facilities based".  As a CLEC, we 
still depended entirely on the ILEC for T1 loops (installation, 
troubleshooting/repair, etc.).

> Interesting. Can't you just ride the existing network between the CO
> locations? For a fee of course, but I would think it could be all
> ethernet based and just pay per mb or something?

Not if they're different ILECs / different LATAs.  If you're in an AT&T CO 
in city A, and a Centurylink CO in city B, and an AT&T CO in city C, 
you're going to need a 3rd party, preferably with their own fiber, to 
connect all the POPs together or back to some central hub site where you 
have your internet connectivity.

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