[142756] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joel Jaeggli)
Tue Jul 12 17:14:08 2011
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
In-Reply-To: <4E1CA31F.6040302@mtcc.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:12:56 -0700
To: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
> Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In short, make it easy for the operators to participate at the right
>> time in the process. It will be better for everyone!
>=20
> Unfortunately, where you want to be inserted into the process is when =
everybody has
> said their piece 80-dozen times and are tired and just want to get on =
with life. So
> it doesn't matter whether you're an operator or the IESG -- you're not =
going to make
> many friends at that point telling them they got it wrong.
>=20
> On the other hand, is it really too much to ask operators -- =
especially big ones with
> a vested interest in not having the IETF throw crap over the wall for =
them to debug --
> to *hire* a liaison whose job is to monitor a swath of working groups, =
bofs, etc, and
> participate the entire way through? I imagine they'd be pretty popular =
amongst clueful
> vendors, and would give you a leg up knowing what's good and what's =
just sales-drek.
By definition if crap has been thrown of the wall and you're trying to =
deploy it, that means:
* you have a commercial or other compelling reason to run it.
* someone has implemented it.
the bar to make something relevant on those two points is much higher, =
than the one that involves submitting an internet draft. getting =
something through draft to publication via a working group is itself a =
rather involved process.
Plenty of crap is thrown over the wall which you will never use, because =
the marketplace doesn't care, nobody built it, nobody has that problem =
it turns out, it turned out to be too hard or it was actually a dumb =
idea. in the market place for idea this seems normal and healthy.
> Mike
>=20
