[142634] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Darrel Lewis)
Mon Jul 11 14:07:04 2011
From: Darrel Lewis <darlewis@cisco.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPWAtbJF34r3kProW5WYB-gQFeeSssybRGbkCgQd3kke4mtiNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:05:57 -0700
To: Jeff Wheeler <jsw@inconcepts.biz>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
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> I have found my input on the LISP list completely ignored because, as
> you suggest, my concerns are real-world and don't have any impact on
> someone's pet project. LISP as it stands today can never work on the
> Internet, and regardless of the fine reputations of the people at
> Cisco and other organizations who are working on it, they are either
> furthering it only because they would rather work on a pet project
> than something useful to customers, or because they truly cannot
> understand its deep, insurmountable design flaws at Internet-scale.
> You would generally hope that someone saying, "LISP can't work at
> Internet-scale because anyone will be able to trivially DoS any LISP
> ITR ('router' for simplicity), but here is a way you can improve it,"
> well, that remark, input, and person should be taken quite seriously,
> their input examined, and other assumptions about the way LISP is
> supposed to work ought to be questioned. None of this has happened.
Jeff I've spend many hours working through the issues you brought up =
(indeed cache management, population, and security are three of my focus =
areas in LISP, and something we considered when we started this), have =
been socializing them with the LISP team, and can personally say that I =
take your comments very seriously. Or testing group in house as well as =
on the LISP beta network have been working through these issues. Also, =
we've had an email thread going on about this for, by my count, 3-4 =
replies back and forth.
While I appreciate your opinions above, I have to say that I disagree =
with them, and also with the conclusions you draw.
-Darrel
P.S. oh and Randy Bush is pretty damn smart. :-)=
