[142627] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joel Jaeggli)
Mon Jul 11 11:21:07 2011
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGVw8vJi0MEN=R7s76_B0XETgB3RDdFnw+YfbM8hHGYCFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:20:04 -0700
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:13 AM, William Herrin wrote:
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>>>>> Today's RFC candidates are required to call out IANA =
considerations
>>>>> and security considerations in special sections. They do so =
because
>>>>> each of these areas has landmines that the majority of working =
groups
>>>>> are ill equipped to consider on their own.
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>>>>> There should be an operations callout as well -- a section where
>>>>> proposed operations defaults (as well as statics for which a solid
>>>>> case can be made for an operations tunable) are extracted from the
>>>>> thick of it and offered for operator scrutiny prior to publication =
of
>>>>> the RFC.
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> Do you find this adjustment objectionable? Do you have other fresh
> ideas to float? Something better than the tired refrain about
> operators not showing up?
The operations area has a directorate. It reviews basically every draft =
in front of the IESG.
I'm on it.
Am I not an operator?
Do I think that adding yet another required section to an internet draft =
is going to increase it's quality?=20
No I do not.
> 'Cause I have to tell you: Several years ago I picked a working group
> and I showed up. And I faced and lost the argument against the
> persistent certainty on the workability of ridiculous deployment
> scenarios by folks who never managed any system larger than a software
> development lab. And I stopped participating in the group about a year
> ago as the core of participants who hadn't given up wandered off into
> la la land.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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> William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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