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Re: MX 80 advantages and shortcomings
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Paul Stewart)
Tue Jul 5 12:49:17 2011
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:48:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Stewart <paul@paulstewart.org>
To: chavan sanjay <sanju_ddd@yahoo.com>
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Pros - small footprint, cost, feature rich
Cons - no redundancy (other than power), 1/3rd the processor power
Paul
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, chavan sanjay wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> Can anyone enlighten me on the pros and cons of MX 80 platform
>
> Thanks
>
> Sanjay C.P.
>
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> Subject: NANOG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 5
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> 1. cheapo UUFB solution for Cisco 7201 (Rogelio)
> 2. Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions (Curtis Maurand)
> 3. RE: Firewall Appliance Suggestions (Jean CLERY)
> 4. Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions (Peter Nowak)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:34:11 -0300
> From: Rogelio <scubacuda@gmail.com>
> Subject: cheapo UUFB solution for Cisco 7201
> To: nanog@nanog.org
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> I've got a Cisco 7201 with about 500 L2TPv2 tunnels, and I suspect
> that UUFB (unknown unicast flooding) is resulting in spiking (I put an
> ACL on to kill broadcast traffic, so I'm sure that's not related).
> I've googled and don't see anything for the 7201, just the 7600
> series. :/
>
> i.e. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/ios/12.2SR/configuration/guide/blocking.html
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on (something cheap) that I can put in
> front of this box to spare it from (what I suspect) is a gateway that
> unicast floods when a MAC address has aged?
>
> To add to my challenges, I'm in Brazil and importing gear is insanely
> effing difficult. :/
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> --
> Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open
> networker: scubacuda@gmail.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:40:56 -0400
> From: Curtis Maurand <cmaurand@xyonet.com>
> Subject: Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Message-ID: <4E123368.7020602@xyonet.com>
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> On 6/30/2011 12:20 PM, Suresh Rajagopalan wrote:
>> Linux + iptables + fwbuilder
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Blake T. Pfankuch<blake@pfankuch.me> wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>> I am looking for something a little unique in a bit of a tough situation with some sticky requirements. First off, my requirements are a little weird and I can't bend them a whole lot due to stipulations being put on me. I am in need a firewall appliance which can be run on VMware vSphere, with IPSEC support for multiple Phase 2 negotiations within a single Phase 1. I am also in need of something that can support VLAN interfaces on the LAN side, and ideally something with multi zoning so I can keep LAN side networks separate from each without ridiculous firewall rules. Meaning build a zone for "Customer network 1" and it displays separately (ease of management and firewall config hopefully). I need a minimum of 10 "zones" on LAN side (/29 or /30), and NAT support for LAN to WAN (to dedicate all outbound connections to a single IP from a specific zone), ideally something extremely scalable (100-200 zones). And here
> is the super fun part! I need something that is going to be web managed primarily as minions will be doing most of the day to day maintenance, or very simple CLI config. Willing to pay for something if need be, but looking for something that can easily handly 50-100mbit of throughput.
>>>
>>> Any Ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Blake Pfankuch
>>>
> Vyatta. They have an appliance on their website.
>
> --Curtis
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:58:51 +0200
> From: "Jean CLERY" <jean.clerymrs@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
> To: "'Curtis Maurand'" <cmaurand@xyonet.com>, <nanog@nanog.org>
> Message-ID: <F7819E52D830406983C30BC43FAD7E3D@ezekiel>
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> Hi Blake
> Try www.netasq.com
>
> Regards,
> Jean CLERY
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De?: Curtis Maurand [mailto:cmaurand@xyonet.com]
> Envoy??: lundi 4 juillet 2011 23:41
> ??: nanog@nanog.org
> Objet?: Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
>
> On 6/30/2011 12:20 PM, Suresh Rajagopalan wrote:
>> Linux + iptables + fwbuilder
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Blake T. Pfankuch<blake@pfankuch.me>
> wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>> I am looking for something a little unique in a bit of a
> tough situation with some sticky requirements. First off, my requirements
> are a little weird and I can't bend them a whole lot due to stipulations
> being put on me. I am in need a firewall appliance which can be run on
> VMware vSphere, with IPSEC support for multiple Phase 2 negotiations within
> a single Phase 1. I am also in need of something that can support VLAN
> interfaces on the LAN side, and ideally something with multi zoning so I can
> keep LAN side networks separate from each without ridiculous firewall rules.
> Meaning build a zone for "Customer network 1" and it displays separately
> (ease of management and firewall config hopefully). I need a minimum of 10
> "zones" on LAN side (/29 or /30), and NAT support for LAN to WAN (to
> dedicate all outbound connections to a single IP from a specific zone),
> ideally something extremely scalable (100-200 zones). And here is the super
> fun part! I need something that is going to be web managed primarily as
> minions will be doing most of the day to day maintenance, or very simple CLI
> config. Willing to pay for something if need be, but looking for something
> that can easily handly 50-100mbit of throughput.
>>>
>>> Any Ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Blake Pfankuch
>>>
> Vyatta. They have an appliance on their website.
>
> --Curtis
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:50:45 -0400
> From: Peter Nowak <pnowak@batblue.com>
> Subject: Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
> To: Blake T. Pfankuch <blake@pfankuch.me>
> Cc: "NANOG \(nanog@nanog.org\)" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Message-ID: <1B8D4E1C-BA43-4257-89DA-7D6EBB154927@batblue.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> They don't have a VM yet - coming soon - but you may take a look at Palo Alto Networks. Having just a regular stateful firewall is not a good idea anymore...
>
> Peter Nowak
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Blake T. Pfankuch wrote:
>
>> Normally I would agree with you as far as separate instances, however this will be in a situation where we pay ridiculous amounts for cpu and memory, so a single instance is what we are shooting for (remember those ridiculous requirements). I am planning to do some further testing with vyatta and pfsense. Thanks you all for the on list and off list responses!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sargun Dhillon [mailto:sargun@sargun.me]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:56 PM
>> To: George Bonser
>> Cc: Blake T. Pfankuch; NANOG (nanog@nanog.org)
>> Subject: Re: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "George Bonser" <gbonser@seven.com>
>>> To: "Blake T. Pfankuch" <blake@pfankuch.me>, "NANOG (nanog@nanog.org)"
>>> <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:30:53 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Firewall Appliance Suggestions
>>>
>>>> Willing to pay for something if need be, but looking for something
>>>> that can easily handly 50-100mbit of throughput.
>>>>
>>>> Any Ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Blake Pfankuch
>>>
>>>
>>> I might also look at Vyatta. They have appliances or you can run the
>>> software on your own hardware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would not go with Vyatta if you're doing anything complex. The number of random bugs I've hit with their software are numerous. In the right hands, it's a powerful tool. And it seems to fit your solution really well.
>>
>> If I were in your shoes, I would install two instances that would handle the "edge" of the cluster, and then an instance per customer (lightweight, they sell a VMWare image). Then use dynamic routing to direct traffic to the customer (assign each customer their own ASN, and peer with their instance). So, worse case scenario, the NOC monkey only breaks one customer's gear.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sargun Dhillon
>> VoIP (US): +1-925-235-1105
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