[142125] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Jun 18 04:28:46 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <23505408.666.1308368211865.JavaMail.root@benjamin.baylink.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:22:27 -0700
To: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
>=20
>> apple.com is a delegation from .com just as apple is a delegation =
from
>> .
>>=20
>>> apple. and www.apple. are *not* -- and the root operators may throw
>>> their hands up in the air if anyone asks them to have anything in
>>> their
>>> zone except glue -- rightly, I think; it's not a degree of
>>> complexity
>>> that's compatible with the required stability of the root zone.
>>=20
>> Sir, either you are very confused, or, I am. I am saying that TLDs
>> behave with the same delegation rules as SLDs, which I believe
>> to be correct. You are claiming that TLDs are in some way magical
>> and that the ability to delegate begins at SLDs. I think the fact =
that
>> there is data in the COM zone separate from the root indicates that
>> I am correct.
>=20
> I could be wrong--Cricket Liu I am not--but the point I'm trying to =
make
> is that the record "apple." does not *live* inside the zone server for=20=
> the "apple" TLD; it lives in ".".
>=20
You are, indeed, wrong.
In . lives a pointer to apple. consisting of one or more NS records and =
possibly
some A/AAAA glue for those nameservers if they are within apple.
In the apple. zone file lives everything else about apple. including the =
SOA record
for apple.
Just as in COM lives one or more NS records for APPLE.COM and possibly =
some
A/AAAA glue for NS that live within APPLE.COM. Inside the APPLE.COM zone
file, OTOH, lives everything else about APPLE.COM including the SOA
for APPLE.COM.
> The people who operate the "apple" zone can apply an A record to =
"www.apple"...
>=20
> Oh. Wait.
>=20
> I'm sorry: you're right. It's been so long since I climbed that far=20=
> up the tree, I'd forgotten, the TLDs don't *live* in the root servers.
>=20
EXACTLY.
> So people operating a cTLD like "apple." would have to run their
> own analog of gtld-servers.net, to which the zone would be delegated,
> and such fanciness could happen there. =20
>=20
EXACTLY.
> Ok; so *this* bit of opposition was a red herring. :-)
>=20
YES.
Have a nice day.
Owen
