[141761] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up. - Land Assistance...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Don Gould)
Sat Jun 11 04:56:27 2011
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:59:39 +1200
From: Don Gould <don@bowenvale.co.nz>
To: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com>
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikRY-oHHLrKhOiqzGVySy6zf1dxPg@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Dear Mr J,
Many thanks for your attention and focus on the issues.
I do hope that the author of the link in the OPs post has had his=20
attention drawn to my series of posts.
You have demonstrated in less then half a dozen posts that the article=20
author simply isn't getting off his butt and getting focused on getting=20
1's and 0's to his location.
Your responses clearly demonstrate by asking a few simple questions, and=20
allowing those with a few clues to be creative, that there are any=20
number of ways to get things done if you really want to.... perhaps this=20
is a new concept for people in rural America, I don't know....
On 11/06/2011 6:46 p.m., Joly MacFie wrote:
>
> Again, in keeping with list protocols, can we please focus on the
> regulations for installation if irrigation piping?
>
>
> In NYC the matter of additional conduits is mostly in the hands of=20
> Empire City Subway, happens to be an entirely owned subsidiary of=20
> Verizon, but quite open to doing business with anybody. I suggest you=20
> describe your pipes as "cables" to avoid difficulties.
>
> See http://www.empirecitysubway.com/dbwes_addcndt.html
>
Again I must thank you for the link.
It is with interest that you mention Verizon. In this part of the world=20
we are very well aware of who they are and what they do. We are aware=20
that they have deployed FTTH to 21 million homes - an inspiration that=20
has helped to drive ftth projects in this part of the world.
I am interested to know if I can get a layer 2 service delivered to my=20
new farming location (per my earlier posts) that will be compatible with=20
the new Australian NBN?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dyd5nfhZo57w&feature=3Dplayer_embedded
Please start viewing from 2:30 in to the clip above and you will fully=20
understand my need for a layer 2 service that is compatible with the NBN=20
at the desired location.
We also have a very large number of sheep to bring with us to the "new=20
world". However they are very expensive to transport using traditional=20
services such as PAN AM or United Airlines.
So our current plan is to ship them to a place called Tasmania (the only=20
place that the NBN is currently in full swing - 40=B050'31.11"S - 145=B0=20
7'32.85"E) and then use the Alcatel technology shown in the clip above=20
to move them to our new farm -=20
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3D40.778547+-73.966897
I did note with interest some comments made by other posters of the size=20
of the US v's HongKong or Korea.
I'd like to draw those posters attention to the NBN project with a goal=20
of 93% FTTH in a country with a land mass of what compared to the USA=20
and a population of what?
While we're comparing a few stats, .nz has just about finished it's fttn=20
roll out which targeted 80% of homes with 10/1 DSL services but has=20
managed to deliver 84% (60% of that will be in range of 60/30 VDSL2) and=20
is now working on it's FTTH roll out to 75% of homes with a population=20
of 4 million people.
However I can see some validity in some of the points raised by list=20
members....
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=3D0x6d318966e837fd75:0xa45e7599497=
ba9d9&q=3D31+Acheson+Avenue,+Mairehau,+Canterbury,+New+Zealand&hl=3Den&sl=
l=3D-43.500758,172.65518&sspn=3D0.006295,0.006295&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D-43.4960=
36,172.648044&spn=3D0,0&z=3D16
At my New Zealand farm, I only have a choice of 3 fibre, 2 tp, 1 cable=20
(HFC) and 3 mobile broadband providers (with out counting WISP's) in a=20
city of ~360,000 people.
I concur that fibre is currently expensive as the best quote I've been=20
able to get so far is $NZD1,100 a month for a 30mbit feed, which is why=20
our local community is working on a WISP solution to connect ~580 homes=20
to eventually deliver better capacity in our local community (low=20
socio-economic, high crime area).
I guess the point of my posts today are:
* Stop winging about crap and just get on and build your own local=20
solutions using help from the global friendly army of guys out there=20
willing to lend a hand - that's what I'm doing and I know it's what many=20
on this list are also doing every day.
* Stop expecting the same services in rural areas that are in cities -=20
the idea that I can set up a farm in Central Park just so people in=20
offices can see cows while they trade stocks is just stupid, good luck=20
trying to park a combine in any of your parking buildings.
* The rural area has any amount of cash - they just don't see need to=20
spend it on getting connected.
* .us is getting left behind the rest of the world - I follow NA Nog=20
quite a bit, and often just close the window in amazement.
In closing I'd like to add that I'm 40 years old. I was born 12 months=20
after the USA landing the first man on the moon. I grew up in ore of=20
Neil Armstrong and the technical achievements of the Americans. Russia=20
were the bad guys, at 11 years of age I got my first computer, at ~20=20
years of age I was inspired by Bill Gates and was devoted to 'the=20
Microsoft Way' for a decade or more as a successful Visual Basic=20
programmer - 'go the good old USA'?...
Today I work with open source solutions from around the globe, having=20
lost favour with Microsoft a decade ago, my current toy is a Mikrotik=20
router (something I know many of you on list are also playing with more=20
and more) and my inspiration is a guy called Simon Hackett from an ISP=20
in Australia (with 250,000 customers and 450 staff) and Michael Mallone=20
from another Australian ISP who started his company in his car shed and=20
is now the number two DSL telco in less than 25 years.
I could go on... but I'm sure I'm already on enough plonk lists now ;)
Farmer Don
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Don Gould
31 Acheson Ave
Mairehau
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ph: + 64 3 348 7235
Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699
