[140462] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: 23,000 IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Morrow)
Wed May 11 14:55:33 2011
In-Reply-To: <4DCAD4DD.2010209@bogus.com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:54:45 -0400
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
To: Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
> On 5/11/11 8:26 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, William Allen Simpson
>> <william.allen.simpson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Courts like precedent. I choose Facebook's precedent. Seems reasonable=
to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>> That's also roughly in line with Nextel and others for CALEA.
>>
>> Hrm, I had thought that CALEA specifically removed the ability of the
>> Provider to charge for the 'service'? Though there is always the case
>> where the Provider can say: "Yes, this doesn't fall into the CALEA
>> relevant requests, we can do this for you though it will cost
>> time/materials to do, here's our schedule..."
>>
>> or that's the stance a previous employer was taking... (at the
>> direction of their lawyer-catzen)
>
> A civil subpeona is not a calea request. This thread has done a fair bit
> of intermingling of the two things to the detriment of it's utility.
yes, sorry... I got confused by william's interjection of calea...
> While I'm sure facebook is served with plenty of valid search warrants,
> I'm reasonably =A0unsure that they meet the definition of
> telecommunications carrier.
>
> there's some discussion in the light of recent hearings, here:
>
> http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/02/deconstructing-calea-hearing.html
there's been a push (or was a while ago) to change the calea
requirements such that 'service provider' was the application service
provider as well. AOL IM, Facebook, Google-Search... etc. with
calea-like exfil of relevant data in 'near realtime' and 'at no cost
to LEA'.
-chris
