[140336] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Yahoo and IPv6
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue May 10 03:51:55 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1105100116180.23905@moonbase.nullrouteit.net>
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:46:34 -0700
To: Igor Gashinsky <igor@gashinsky.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
> :: > I do agree with you that pointing fingers at this stage is really =
not helpful. I continue to maintain that being supportive of those =
content networks that are willing to wade in is the right answer.
> :: >=20
> :: Agreed, but, it's also important to point out when they're starting =
to swim in directions
> :: that are counterproductive, such as having help sites that advise =
users to turn off
> :: IPv6 with fixing their IPv6 capabilities as a secondary option.
>=20
> "We recommend disabling IPv6 or seeking assistance in order to fix =
your=20
> system's IPv6 configuration through your ISP or computer manufacturer"
>=20
> So, your problem is that a help page gives the user 2 options,=20
> the first one of them being a quick and easy fix that a user can do=20
> himself in less then a minute, and suggesting contacting the ISP or=20
> manufacturer *second* (and possibly spending quite a bit of time on=20
> hold/troubleshooting, and then saying "screw it")?!?=20
>=20
Vs. other more useful options which I have spelled out elsewhere in this
thread, yes.
> Honestly, I think the people who want ipv6 to work, and are willing =
and=20
> capable to troubleshoot it, will; and those who don't will just=20
> turn it off... Seems like the right outcome to me..
>=20
We can agree to disagree. Turning it off really isn't a good outcome =
because
it just postpones the inevitable. Encouraging people to call their ISPs =
to
troubleshoot their IPv6 problems accomplishes two things:
1. It raises visibility of the need for IPv6 at the eyeball =
ISPs. It shows
that there are users encountering things that cause them =
to care
about IPv6 working.
2. It helps users resolve their IPv6 problems and get =
working
IPv6.
I applaud your employer's efforts to get IPv6 deployed and their =
leadership
in working towards IPv6 day. Hopefully they can eventually take a more
positive leadership position towards successful eyeball transitions as
well.
Owen
