[138768] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: SP's and v4 block assignments
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Tue Mar 15 11:13:55 2011
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1103150956020.5148@soloth.lewis.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:13:51 -0400
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Elliott wrote:
>>=20
>>> Looking for information on the current standard practices for =
charging customers
>>> for larger than default v4 assignments.
>>>=20
>>> Especially with the rapidly depleting v4 space, how are SP's =
handling these
>>> requests? Is it safe to assume customers requesting larger blocks =
are willing
>>> to pay a premium?
>>>=20
>>> How much are SP's charging and what are the thresholds? What are =
default
>>> allocations based on? (ie: size of the circuit, type of product, =
etc...)
>>>=20
>>> Are SP's requiring more strict justification for said assignments?
>>=20
>> "Larger than default"? There are rules about allocating IP space, it =
has to do with justification, not default sizes.
>>=20
>> Charging for them means you are likely a spammer or provider catering =
to spammers, and lying on your justification forms. Hopefully these =
types of providers will go away as space gets tighter and justifications =
are scrutinized more.
>=20
> You've not been an ISP for too long. Charging for IP space (even =
justified, not being used for spamming) is pretty common. I don't get =
involved in sales very often, so I don't know what we charge for them, =
but I know we do. I don't believe our rates for IPs have changed [yet] =
in anticipation of IPv4 runout. Our standard IPv4 assignment for =
dedi/colo single servers has been /28. For cloud, it's /32. Anything =
more adds to the MRC. I can see the former shrinking soon to /29 or /30 =
unless the customer demands more.
Sorry, hasty note.
Whenever someone says "how much can I charge for giving a customer more =
space than they need", I think "spammer". Maybe that's wrong, maybe =
not, but that's the bell that rang in my head. And I do hope that =
spammers will have their space reclaimed, because it is _not_ a =
justified use of space to put a /16 on a single mail server to avoid =
blacklists.
As for your first sentence, it is true, I Am Not An Isp. :) However, I =
do get space from providers, and it is not at all normal for the =
provider to ask us for money. But then, maybe we are special.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
