[138747] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Why does abuse handling take so long ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Miller)
Mon Mar 14 12:37:43 2011
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:35:27 -0400
From: David Miller <dmiller@tiggee.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <4D7E3E4A.8080503@gmail.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 3/14/2011 12:11 PM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> On 3/13/11 9:35 PM, goemon@anime.net wrote:
>> the real cesspool is POC registries. i wish arin would start revoking
>> allocations for entities with invalid POCs.
>>
> Hear, hear!
>
> Leo's remembering the old days (80s - early '90s), when we checked
> whois and
> called each others' NOCs directly. That stopped working, and we
> started getting
> front line support, who's whole purpose was to filter. Nowadays, I've
> often
> been stuck in voice prompt or voice mail hell, unable to get anybody
> on the
> phone, and cannot get any response from email, either. Ever. The big
> ILECs
> are the worst.
>
> What we need is an "abuse" for ARIN, telling them the contacts don't work
> properly, which ARIN could verify, revoke the allocation, and send
> notice to
> the upstream telling them to withdraw the route immediately.
>
Define "contacts don't work properly".
- Email / phone number does not exist?
- Email / phone was answered by unhelpful person?
- Your particular issue provided in email / phone call was not addressed
immediately (or within a timeframe that *you* see as appropriate)?
The first can be verified objectively. The others are subjective and
impossible to verify.
> Force them to go through the entire allocation process from the
> beginning,
> and always assign a new block. That might make them take notice.... And
> shrink the routing table! Win, win!
>
> Since we'd only send notification to ARIN about an actual problem, we'd
> only drop the real troublemakers. To help enforce that, ARIN would also
> verify the reporter's contacts. :-)
>
