[138707] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Switching Email
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Andrews)
Sat Mar 12 16:48:44 2011
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:16:19 CDT."
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:46:35 +1100
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
In message <AANLkTinvbCODXiCQHMcLoP7qG3Mh4388mRP1uEvvkRcF@mail.gmail.com>, Will
iam Herrin writes:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
> > On 3/11/2011 8:24 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> >> --- bill@herrin.us wrote:
> >> From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
> >>
> >> No, it isn't. Contrary to mailing list best practices, NANOG
> >> unsubscribe information is stubbornly stashed in the email headers
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> That's a feature. =A0Not a bug. =A0:-)
> >
> > Actually, it's RFC 2369 =A0:)
>
> Anyone have a list of MUAs that actually support RFC 2369 with
> subscription management widgets in the GUI? Surely someone has written
> one but I can't seem to find any documentation to that effect.
>
> On the other hand, the very first guideline at
> http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html is:
> "Mailing list administrators must provide [...] clear and effective
> instructions for unsubscribing from a mailing list." Hidden in the
> headers is rather less than clear or effective.
>
> Even that lightweight, the CAN-SPAM act, calls for each message to
> contain "clear and conspicuous notice of the opportunity [...] to
> decline to receive further" messages.
Headers are the ONLY way to do this so it works in all languages
for all the planet.
"Click here to unsubscribe" is a joke when it is written in a
language you don't read.
As for the CAN-SPAM act, it's also a joke. It doesn't require a
pre-existing relationship where there is a chance the recipient
can read the message.
> -Bill
>
>
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