[137650] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Andrews)
Thu Feb 17 19:53:27 2011
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:16:40 -0800."
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:52:55 +1100
Cc: John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org>, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
In message <5F90644C-5457-460F-9BC3-70802B13A270@delong.com>, Owen DeLong write
s:
> >
> >> Cisco is just one example. The fact is it will likely not work in
> >> cell phones, home gateways, windows PCs, Mac's, .... I understand
> >> some progress has been made... but choose your scope wisely and pick
> >> your battles and know that the weight of the world is against you
> >> (cisco and msft)
> >>
> >
> > I don't think I had general usage in mind, more along the lines of the
> > "middle 4" in NAT444 that will be rolled out in many networks to
> > conserve IP space.
> >
> Infeasible. NAT444 is primarily needed to avoid doing a CPE forklift
> for nearly every subscriber. To deploy these addresses in that space would
> require a CPE forklift for nearly every subscriber.
Firstly it is entirely possible to do this incrementally. Secondly
it doesn't require a fork lift upgrade. A minimal upgrade is all
that is required. For modern Linux boxes just setting a DHCP option
would be enough. A two line fix in a config file.
> >> @George
> >>
> >> Please don't speculating on when Cisco or Microsoft will support 240/4
> >> on this list. Ask your account rep, then report back with facts.
> >> Arm-chair engineering accounts for too many emails on this list.
> >
> > The usage I have in mind would be transparent to the end stations and,
> > frankly, someone who produces provider gear and CPE that can take
> > advantage of that space is going to have a great selling point. There
> > is some gold under there for someone. 240/4 is a great big "dig here"
> > sign if they want some of it.
> >
> >
> Maybe, but, CPE is rarely a unified solution, even within the same carrier.
>
> Owen
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