[137179] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Feb 9 19:14:31 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1102091811590.15471@murf.icantclick.org>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:10:46 -0800
To: david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 9, 2011, at 3:16 PM, david raistrick wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>=20
>>>> I don't feel sorry for them. We know that IPv6 is coming for how =
long?
>>>> 15years? 10year? 5years? Well if you only read the mainstream media =
you
>>>=20
>>> And at what point during that time did they have any vendor gear =
they could purchase that -would- support v6? At -best- during the last =
5 years, but I'd put money on that even today they can't purchase gear =
with adequate v6 support.
>>>=20
>> This is largely the result of the fact that they did not demand it =
from their
>> vendors during that time.
>=20
>=20
> I was purchasing for and building small SP networks during that time.
>=20
> Requiring v6 of our vendors would have meant we just never got =
anything, so we'd have never provided service. Come to think if it, =
maybe it -would- have been better for everyone involved (except those of =
us who just got paychecks and experience out of it) to just simply not =
do it - but we didn't know that at the time 15 years ago!
>=20
Requiring it delivered day one, sure. Putting in a requirement for "Will =
support" so that they are required to provide an upgrade path, OTOH, to =
me seemed like it was basic good business sense. It worked out pretty =
well for the organizations I was working for back then. We got =
upgradeable hardware and the vendors got awareness of the demand. =
Admittedly, I wasn't working in the last mile arena. However, pressuring =
vendors is possible without
sacrificing immediate needs.
>=20
> Vendor C and J don't provide gear that fits into all network =
topologies (WISPs, MTU DSL, and smallish ADSL roll outs come to mind, =
certain during the time period in question. Sure, they eventually =
bought products in those markets...but even still, I had sub 6 figure =
budgets to build with - I certainly had no leverage).
>=20
I don't think that networks with sub-6-figure buildouts are the ones =
we're too worried about right now.
They can probably upgrade for sub-6-figure amounts.
Owen
