[136935] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dorn Hetzel)
Sun Feb 6 16:29:49 2011
In-Reply-To: <20110206211644.34560.qmail@joyce.lan>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:29:02 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel <dorn@hetzel.org>
To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Cc: jcurran@istaff.org, nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
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> 1) You get a note from the owner of jidaw.com, a large ISP in Nigeria,
> telling you that they have two defaultless routers so they'd like a
> share of the route fees. Due to the well known fraud problem in
> Nigeria, please pay them into the company's account in the Channel
> Islands. What do you do? (Helpful hint: there are plenty of
> legitimate reasons for non-residents to have accounts in the Channel
> Islands. I have a few.)
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If I peer with them or sell them transit or buy transit from them then we
have a reason to talk, otherwise, not so much.
> 2) Google says here's our routes, we won't be paying anything. What
> do you do?
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There's a cost to taking the routes from Google, and a benefit to having
those routes. As long as the benefit exceeds the cost, no worries.
> 2a) If you insist no pay, no route, what do you tell your users when
> they call and complain?
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> 2b) If you make a special case for Google, what do you do when Yahoo,
> AOL, and Baidu do the same thing?
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> Back to the cost/benefit balance above.
> I can imagine some technical backpressure, particularly against networks
> that don't aggregate their routes, but money? Forget about it, unless
> perhaps you want to mix them into the peering/transit negotiations.
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I think the only way it works, presuming anyone wanted to do it, is as a
property of transit and peering.
If I buy transit from you and want to send you a mess of routes, you might
charge me more for my transit on account of that.
Perhaps I get one free prefix announcement per x amount of bandwidth I am
buying ?
If we are peering then prefix balance might join traffic balance as a way to
think about whether the arrangement is good for both peers.
All of these arrangements occur between directly peering or transit
providing neighbors. If I buy transit from you, I expect you to pay any
costs needed to get my routes out to the world (and probably to charge me
accordingly).
