[136920] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: quietly....
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Feb 6 13:46:58 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <23119638.5335.1297017284299.JavaMail.root@benjamin.baylink.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:43:18 -0800
To: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 6, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
>=20
>> I'm pretty sure the PS3 will get resolved through a software update.
>>=20
>> Yes, there will be user-visible disruptions in this transition.
>>=20
>> No, it can't be 100% magic on the part of the service provider.
>>=20
>> It still has to happen. There is no viable alternative.
>=20
> There will be *lots* of user visible disruptions. And if you believe,
> as it appears you do from the integration of your messages on this =
thread,
> that anyone anywhere will be able through any legal theory to *force* =
Sony
> to make that older PS3 work on IPv6, then the term for your opinion, =
in *my*
> opinion, has changed from "optimistic" to "nutsabago". :-)
>=20
No. I believe I can force through legal choices hotel providers to =
refund
my internet access charges if they block certain ports. I've done so.
I believe that Sony will offer IPv6 software upgrades for the PS-3 =
because
they will eventually realize that failing to do so is bad for future =
sales.
>> =46rom up here at 30,000ft, the entire deployment of IPv6 has been =
cripplingly
> mismanaged, or we wouldn't be having all these conversations, still, =
now.
> Having had them 5 years ago would have been well more than good =
enough.
> And it will start to bite, hard, very shortly.
>=20
An interesting perspective. The problem with that theory is that nobody =
actually
manages the internet. It is a collection of independently managed =
networks
that happen to coordinate, cooperate, and collaborate on a limited basis =
to
make certain things work.
I agree with you that many organizations and individuals could have =
acted
differently to achieve a more optimal transition. However, they didn't =
and
we are where we are. As a result, I think it is far more productive to =
move
forward and make the transition as quickly and effectively as possible =
than
to dwell on claims of "mismanagement" which lack both a meaningful
target and any form of useful resolution.
Owen
