[136389] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon acquiring Terremark
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Lyon)
Wed Feb 2 16:56:47 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D497019.7030808@packetpimp.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:56:35 -0500
From: Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net>
To: Jason LeBlanc <jml@packetpimp.org>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Jason LeBlanc <jml@packetpimp.org> wrote:
> I wonder if the price point will change. =A0Having been in PAIX/S&D/Equin=
ix
> facilities for several years things have certainly changed with regard to
> contract negotiations and pricing. =A0Equinix is not very flexible. =A0Th=
e
> shuffle of techs has also resulted in a much less helpful group to work
> with.
>
> On 02/02/2011 09:20 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 03:22:39 -0500
>>> From: Jeffrey Lyon<jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net>
>>>
>>> I'm sure everything will be fine in practice as others have indicated,
>>> I was merely making a point of the inherent conflict of interest.
>>
>> ah. =A0if you mean "it's unusual" or "it's difficult" rather than "it
>> cannot be" then i have no arguments. =A0the reason PAIX got traction
>> at all, coming late to the game (1995-ish) as we did, was because MFS
>> was then able to charge circuit prices for many forms of cross connect
>> down at MAE West. =A0and i did face continuous pressure from MFN to go
>> after a share of PAIX's carrier's circuit revenue. =A0(which i never did
>> and which none of my successors have done either.)
>>
>> noting, the game as moved on. =A0if verizon behaves badly as terremark's
>> owner then the presence of equinix in the market will act as a relief
>> valve. =A0i think the "neutral and commercial" model is very well
>> established and that verizon will not want to be the only carrier in
>> those facilities nor have their circuit-holders be the only customers
>> for the real estate. =A0it's an awful lot of space to use just as colo,
>> and it's both over- and underbuilt for colo (vs. an IX).
>>
>> re:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Paul Vixie<vixie@isc.org> =A0wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Lyon<jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net> =A0writes:
>>>>
>>>>> One cannot be owned by a carrier and remain carrier neutral.
>>>>>
>>>>> My two cents,
>>>>
>>>> my experience running PAIX when it was owned by MFN was not
>>>> like you're saying.
>
>
You might try TelX, we've had good luck with them.
--=20
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