[136249] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: quietly....
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Feb 1 21:39:04 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <20110202022456.GA3142@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:33:43 -0800
To: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> said:
>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Karl Auer wrote:
>>> Devil's advocate hat on: NAT (in its most common form) also permits
>>> internal addressing to be independent of external addressing.
>>>=20
>> Which is a bug, not a feature.
>=20
> That is an opinion (and not a unversally held opinion), not a fact. I
> tend to agree with you, but you keep stating your opinion as fact.
> Telling people "I'm right, you're wrong" over and over again leads to
> them going away and ignoring IPv6.
>=20
Using this definition of bug from Wikipedia:
A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, =
mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces =
an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended =
ways.=20
I argue that breaking the end-to-end model which is a documented =
fundamental tenant of the internet protocol and the internet addressing =
system is, by definition, within the definition above.
Q.E.D. it is, in fact, a bug, not merely my opinion. Others are welcome =
to
consider said bug to be a feature, but, it is, by definition, factually, =
a bug.
Owen
