[135119] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Request Spamhaus contact
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (William Pitcock)
Mon Jan 17 19:33:35 2011
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:17:21 -0600
From: William Pitcock <nenolod@systeminplace.net>
To: Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinB5w1DbLv=wAoMcoY=Z23qipd6WKdoxbJOvunw@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Hi,
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:11:37 -0500
Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net> wrote:
> William,
>
> You're quite right, we don't. We presume that our customers are
> honorable until proven otherwise. We're a legitimate U.S. based
> corporation and we make ourselves available to the pertinent RBL's and
> authorities as appropriate. We take action where action needs to be
> taken.
How does refusing service to known spammers/spam operations make you
any less of a legitimate U.S. corporation? How come all of the
resources mentioned in this thread are still online?
>
> I take offense, however, to the assumption that our entire company is
> bad and that all of our customers should suffer because of the actions
> of a few. I've given Larry @ Spamhaus a direct link to myself and our
> VP of Ops. If he choose to use it all of these problems can be nipped
> in the bud.
I do not assume your company is bad. I assume that trying to get
anything shut down at BL is a waste of my time. A majority of the
people posting on this thread seem to also attest to this point.
Just because you're proxying to other networks does not make you
unresponsible for their activity.
>
> You're quite fortunate to be under the protection of a major
> corporation, most do not have that luxury.
I am not under anyone's protection. DroneBL is, but I no longer
operate it due to it being a timesink. Nor should my opinions reflect
them in any way. I just wanted to make it clear that I am aware of
what it is like to be under permanent DDoS attack.
William
