[133507] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [Operational] Internet Police
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Fri Dec 10 12:42:29 2010
To: Lamar Owen <lowen@pari.edu>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:14:20 EST."
<201012101214.21119.lowen@pari.edu>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:40:44 -0500
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:14:20 EST, Lamar Owen said:
> Identity theft can cause loss of life due to the stress of mopping up afterwards.
Oh, give me a *break*. This is well off the end of the slippery slope.
My car got totaled in a rear-end collision a few weeks ago. If I get so
stressed dealing with my insurance company that I die of a heart attack, does
that mean the guy who ran into me is guilty of murder? And for bonus points, is
he guilty of *attempted* murder if I *don't* have a heart attack? No - in most
jurisdictions, if I expire of a heart attack as an unforseen and unpredictable
*direct* result of somebody's actions, that would maybe be manslaughter, not
murder. And death during "mopping up afterwards" is *so* convoluted I don't
think you could even get a win in a civil trial, where the standards of
evidence are a lot lower than in criminal cases.
Similarly, identity theft isn't committed with the *intent* that people will
keel over - that's an unforeseeable and unpredictable result.
On the other hand, *real* terrorism usually involved the *intent* that you're
going to have some very messy corpses and/or fragments thereof.
Let me know when you have a documented case of a DDoS launched with
the *intent* of causing dead bodies in the street for the 6PM news crews,
so that the populace is in fact terrrified.
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