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Re: Over a decade of DDOS--any progress yet?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dobbins, Roland)
Wed Dec 8 06:14:27 2010

From: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net>
To: North American Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:13:39 +0000
In-Reply-To: <20101208105838.GD5841@vacation.karoshi.com.>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org


On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:58 PM, <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:

> actually, botnets are an artifact.  claiming that the tool is the problem=
 might be a bit short sighted.  with the evolution of Internet technologies
> (IoT) i suspect botnet-like structures to become much more prevelent and =
useful for things other than coordinated attacks.


I'm a big advocate of distributed/agile computing models with swarming/floc=
king behaviors - see slide 32 of this preso for an example:

<https://files.me.com/roland.dobbins/c07vk1>

When these things are harnessed together in order to launch DDoS attacks an=
d steal financial information and intellectual property and so forth, we ca=
ll them 'botnets'.  They're a force-multiplier which allow the attacker to =
avoid the von Clausewitzian friction of conflict, and which give him a comf=
ortable degree of anonymity, not to mention highly asymmetrical force proje=
ction capabilities and global presence.

'Botnet-like structures' =3D botnets, for purposes of this discussion.  Sem=
antic hair-splitting.

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