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Re: NAT etc. (was: Spam Control Considered Harmful)

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jay R. Ashworth)
Sun Nov 2 12:44:19 1997

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:35:57 -0500
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <19971102123145.46573@freedom.bythetrees.com>; from Alan Hannan <hannan@bythetrees.com> on Sun, Nov 02, 1997 at 12:31:45PM -0500

On Sun, Nov 02, 1997 at 12:31:45PM -0500, Alan Hannan wrote:
> > Yup, it could, but as I noted to Paul, in the cases Sean is advocating,
> > the client and the NAT box may not be within the same span of
> > administration, either.  IE: no, you may _not_ trust the NAT op.
> 
>   In today's internet, the DNS management, the routing
>   administration, and the ADM engineer are all outside of central
>   administration.
> 
>   This is analagous to the case you bring up, and yet we work well.
> 
>   Proxy aggregation of address space occurs, and yet the world goes
>   on.
> 
>   That the NAT administration would be different from that of the
>   flow endpoints is orthagonal to the discussion.

No, I'm afraid I don't think that's true.  This is a question of
_trust_, and if I don't wish to allow the operator of a NAT box to
proxy my trust in a nameserver operator, there really isn't any good
way around that.

Cheers,
-- jra
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