[132648] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ben Butler)
Mon Nov 29 23:23:50 2010
From: Ben Butler <ben.butler@c2internet.net>
To: "'Patrick W. Gilmore'" <patrick@ianai.net>, "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 04:23:41 +0000
In-Reply-To: <90938DE9-4952-4A7C-8F89-62E878EC55C2@ianai.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Ok, you have a point with SD vs HD which is encoded at 8 rather than 2 =
on our digital terrestrial and satellite broadcasters in the UK.
So why 24mb or 50mb access speeds, what is it actually being used for, I =
do not believe that streamed video is the culprit here with most codecs =
doing about ~700 kbits.
Part of the problem is the content providers do not encode properly, we =
have seen this all along with images on webs sties as access speeds have =
increased. There is no penalty on the content provider for lazy =
programming, cpu cycles or codec licensing to stop them making the =
access network carry larger streams than nessacery.
And before we get too much into HD vs Codecs vs 720P vs 1080p vs "true =
HD" marketing BS, I capture out of my camera's HDMI port at 3Gbit/s and =
I am not running 4:4:4 color. So what is HD and what it the allowable =
compression for it still to be considered as such.
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patrick@ianai.net]=20
Sent: 30 November 2010 04:04
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement =
ConcerningComcast'sActions
On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> In the Uk, we used to have 2MB DSL, and business providers like myself =
would happily provide it on the basis of CBR 2Mbit and we did'nt care =
what you did with it. 2Mbit is more than enough for streaming and I =
challenge anyone otherwise.
I say otherwise.
So do many customers who want 720 or 1080 lines on their TV.
So do many content providers who want to satisfy their customers.
But it is your network, your rules. If your customers do not want "HD =
quality", and are happy with 1.5 Mbps streams per DSL line, that's =
between you & your customers. Of course, if your customers want more, =
that's between your customers and your competitors....
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TTFN,
patrick
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