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RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ben Butler)
Mon Nov 29 21:12:20 2010
From: Ben Butler <ben.butler@c2internet.net>
To: <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:12:14 +0000
In-Reply-To: <FD55067F70105D4BBDBE7FC036661C00015D667B7D17@EXCHANGE.atlasbiz.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
And what happens when the content providers have multicast to the BGP =
edge and the access provider has to carry it from there on in their =
network.
This is solely about money and the brokenness of the current ISP / =
access / carrier / content provider commercial model. This has been =
coming for years once access speed (long since) got upto a sufficient =
speed to sustain 1 to 2 Mbit and they sorted out their copyright issues =
on the content.
Now all the access providers who spoke big in marketing and delivered =
little in service are being exposed and trying to fudge the issue. This =
has been coming for at least five years with video, and the next one is =
SIP with call revenues.
Show me the money!
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Fischer [mailto:sfischer1967@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 30 November 2010 02:03
To: Marshall Eubanks
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning =
Comcast'sActions
Trying to follow this - so, if I have followed it correctly, L3 hosts
high-bandwitdh services (namely NetFlix) to which an abundance of =
Comcast
users subscribe? And Comcast is crying foul, and claiming a portion of =
L3's
revenue is rightfully theirs, for being "last mile" to a significant =
portion
of the CDN/NetFlix customer base? Does L3 even service a home user =
market,
in the same vein as Comcast or Verizon?
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Marshall Eubanks =
<tme@americafree.tv>wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Phil Bedard wrote:
>
> > Is L3 hosting content for Netflix?
>
> You bet.
>
>
> =
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/11/11/level-3-signs-deal-to=
-be-a-primary-netflix-cdn-shares-rally/
>
> * NOVEMBER 11, 2010, 9:13 AM ET
>
> Level 3 Signs Deal To Be A Primary Netflix CDN; Shares Rally
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
> > Netflix has become a large source of
> > traffic going to end users. L3 likely could have held out on this =
one if
> > the content they were hosting is valuable enough to Comcast's =
customers,
> > but maybe what Comcast was asking for wasn't much in the grand =
scheme of
> > things.
> >
> > Obviously someone has to pay for the access infrastructure and =
Comcast
> > would much rather get the content provider to pay for it versus =
passing
> it
> > along to their customers. I think they probably just took a stab =
and L3
> > complied.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/29/10 5:28 PM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
> >
> >> <
> =
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/level-3-communications-issues-statement-=
> >> concerning-comcasts-actions-2010-11-29?reflink=3DMW_news_stmp>
> >>
> >> I understand that politics is off-topic, but this policy affects
> >> operational aspects of the 'Net.
> >>
> >> Just to be clear, L3 is saying content providers should not have to =
pay
> >> to deliver content to broadband providers who have their own =
product
> >> which has content as well. I am certain all the content providers =
on
> >> this list are happy to hear L3's change of heart and will be =
applying
> for
> >> settlement free peering tomorrow. (L3 wouldn't want other =
providers to
> >> claim the Vyvx or CDN or other content services provided by L3 are
> >> competing and L3 is putting up a "toll booth" on the Internet, =
would
> >> they?)
> >>
> >> --
> >> TTFN,
> >> patrick
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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