[132624] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast's
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Nov 29 20:19:34 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikP7nM6qa-950UBmvrPJAtoGJYvvgQdzSZd-tjx@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:18:29 -0800
To: Ren Provo <ren.provo@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>, dcrocker@bbiw.net, "Rettke,
Brian" <Brian.Rettke@cableone.biz>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
In summary:
Level3 is crying foul while their CDN competitors have quietly =
bought
into Comcast's racket.
I applaud Level3 for calling attention to this matter.
Owen
(Speaking strictly for myself)
On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Ren Provo wrote:
> http://blog.comcast.com/2010/11/comcast-comments-on-level-3.html
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> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Dave CROCKER <dhc2@dcrocker.net> =
wrote:
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>> On 11/29/2010 2:40 PM, Rettke, Brian wrote:
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>>> Essentially, the question is who has to pay for the infrastructure =
to
>>> support
>>> the bandwidth requirements of all of these new and booming streaming
>>> ventures. I can understand both the side taken by Comcast, and the =
side of
>>> the content provider, but I don't think it's as simple as the =
slogans
>>> spewed
>>> out regarding "Net Neutrality", which has become so misused and =
abused as
>>> a
>>> term that I don't think it has any credulous value remaining.
>>>=20
>>=20
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>> I find it helpful to distinguish "participant neutrality" from =
"service
>> neutrality". The first says that you and I pay the same rate. The =
second
>> says the my email costs the same as my voip.
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>> As described, it appears that Level3 is being singled out, which =
makes for
>> participant non-neutrality. On the other hand, if Comcast were =
charging
>> itself for xfinity traffic, this might qualify as service =
non-neutrality
>> (assuming there is a plausible meaning to "charging itself"...
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>> d/
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>> --
>>=20
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>> bbiw.net
>>=20
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