[131841] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Smith)
Sat Nov 6 10:38:39 2010
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:08:20 +1030
From: Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
To: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
In-Reply-To: <5B29DAEB-103A-4340-AD76-526BA6F3680D@americafree.tv>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:40:30 -0400
Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv> wrote:
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> On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
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> > On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:32:30 -0700
> > "Scott Weeks" <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
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> >> It's really quiet in here. So, for some Friday fun let me whap at the=
hornets nest and see what happens... >;-)
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> >> http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf
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> > Who ever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about. LISP is
> > not the IETF's proposed solution (the IETF don't have one, the IRTF do),
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> Um, I would not agree. The IRTF RRG considered and is documenting a lot o=
f things, but did not
> come to any consensus as to which one should be a "proposed solution."
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I probably got a bit keen, I've been reading through the IRTF RRG
"Recommendation for a Routing Architecture" draft which, IIRC, makes a
recommendation to pursue Identifier/Locator Network Protocol rather
than LISP.
Regards,
Mark.
> Regards
> Marshall
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> > and streaming media was seen to be one of the early applications of the
> > Internet - these types of applications is why TCP was split out of
> > IP, why UDP was invented, and why UDP has has a significantly
> > different protocol number to TCP.
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> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >> "NAT is your friend"
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> >> "IP doesn=E2=80=99t handle addressing or multi-homing well at all"
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> >> "The IETF=E2=80=99s proposed solution to the multihoming problem is=20
> >> called LISP, for Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. This
> >> is already running into scaling problems, and even when it works,
> >> it has a failover time on the order of thirty seconds."
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> >> "TCP and IP were split the wrong way"
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> >> "IP lacks an addressing architecture"
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> >> "Packet switching was designed to complement, not replace, the telepho=
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> >> network. IP was not optimized to support streaming media, such as voic=
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> >> audio broadcasting, and video; it was designed to not be the telephone=
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> >> network."
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architectu=
re: Layers are recursive."
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> >> I can hear the angry hornets buzzing already. :-)
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> >> scott
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