[131828] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marshall Eubanks)
Fri Nov 5 21:40:45 2010
From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
In-Reply-To: <20101106095609.10a0ec16@opy.nosense.org>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:40:30 -0400
To: Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:32:30 -0700
> "Scott Weeks" <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
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>> It's really quiet in here. So, for some Friday fun let me whap at =
the hornets nest and see what happens... >;-)
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>> http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf
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> Who ever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about. LISP is
> not the IETF's proposed solution (the IETF don't have one, the IRTF =
do),
Um, I would not agree. The IRTF RRG considered and is documenting a lot =
of things, but did not
come to any consensus as to which one should be a "proposed solution."
Regards
Marshall
> and streaming media was seen to be one of the early applications of =
the
> Internet - these types of applications is why TCP was split out of
> IP, why UDP was invented, and why UDP has has a significantly
> different protocol number to TCP.
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>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> "NAT is your friend"
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>> "IP doesn=92t handle addressing or multi-homing well at all"
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>> "The IETF=92s proposed solution to the multihoming problem is=20
>> called LISP, for Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. This
>> is already running into scaling problems, and even when it works,
>> it has a failover time on the order of thirty seconds."
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>> "TCP and IP were split the wrong way"
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>> "IP lacks an addressing architecture"
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>> "Packet switching was designed to complement, not replace, the =
telephone=20
>> network. IP was not optimized to support streaming media, such as =
voice,=20
>> audio broadcasting, and video; it was designed to not be the =
telephone=20
>> network."
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
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>> And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network =
architecture: Layers are recursive."
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>> I can hear the angry hornets buzzing already. :-)
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>> scott
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