[131823] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Smith)
Fri Nov 5 19:26:20 2010
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 09:56:09 +1030
From: Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
To: surfer@mauigateway.com
In-Reply-To: <20101105153230.F235F9D@resin07.mta.everyone.net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:32:30 -0700
"Scott Weeks" <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
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> It's really quiet in here. So, for some Friday fun let me whap at the ho=
rnets nest and see what happens... >;-)
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> http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf
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Who ever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about. LISP is
not the IETF's proposed solution (the IETF don't have one, the IRTF do),
and streaming media was seen to be one of the early applications of the
Internet - these types of applications is why TCP was split out of
IP, why UDP was invented, and why UDP has has a significantly
different protocol number to TCP.
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> "NAT is your friend"
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> "IP doesn=E2=80=99t handle addressing or multi-homing well at all"
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> "The IETF=E2=80=99s proposed solution to the multihoming problem is=20
> called LISP, for Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. This
> is already running into scaling problems, and even when it works,
> it has a failover time on the order of thirty seconds."
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> "TCP and IP were split the wrong way"
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> "IP lacks an addressing architecture"
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> "Packet switching was designed to complement, not replace, the telephone=
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> network. IP was not optimized to support streaming media, such as voice,=
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> audio broadcasting, and video; it was designed to not be the telephone=20
> network."
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> And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architecture:=
Layers are recursive."
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> I can hear the angry hornets buzzing already. :-)
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> scott
