[131037] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Definitive Guide to IPv6 adoption
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Oct 19 14:24:43 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <4CBDA69F.1010401@brightok.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:21:28 -0700
To: Jack Bates <jbates@brightok.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 10/19/2010 4:29 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>=20
>> No... ARIN hands out a MINIMUM /32. A medium sized ISP should be =
asking for larger.
>>=20
>=20
> ME: I really need larger space
> ARIN: We don't see how you can justify it, and we hardly ever give =
larger than /32
>=20
Did you send them a customer count exceeding about 25,000 customers and =
point out that
you were giving /48s to each of them? If you did, they would not have =
had a leg to stand on.
However, there has been a bit of a learning curve with ARIN staff and =
IPv6, so, there have
been some errant denials. I'm working on policy to further expand their =
ability to approve
larger allocations. Expect to see it posted in the next week or so.
> THE END
>=20
>> or, if you have larger POPs, start with a /24 and
>> /32 regional assignment supporting 256 regional assignments
>> /36 for 16 pops per region
>> /48 for 4,096 customer end-sites per POP
>=20
> Ideal solution, but don't see it happening
>=20
Why not?
>> ARIN thinks a /32 is the MINIMUM for an ISP. Not the Maximum. Several =
ISPs have received larger than /32 and all you need to do is show a =
reasonable justification for the space.
>=20
> See above. You think I asked for a /32? While I'd probably desire a =
/24 for ease of routing and management, I'd only asked for a /31 and was =
turned down with the "Very few will get more than a /32."
>=20
When did you ask? If it was more than 6 months ago, then, I would =
suggest asking again. If it was less than 6
months ago, can you send me any or all of the correspondence so I can =
address it with Leslie and try and
get whatever training issues remain resolved?
> Hey, perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps I asked too early, even though I =
purposefully delayed asking.
>=20
If ARIN is incorrectly denying requests, I'll definitely work on getting =
that resolved.
> and from your other reply:
>=20
>> Yep... Best not to argue with Jack... A much better strategy, IMHO, =
is to better serve his former customers.
>=20
> Good luck on that. My customers like my service and the lengths we go =
for them. Obviously, there are always those who are discontent, but we =
listen to what they want and need, and we make it happen. Feel free to =
come to rural Oklahoma and compete. The prefix rotation argument has =
been covered before, which is why I'd rather keep it to the original =
argument and probably shouldn't have mentioned it since it always =
creates a side topic.
>=20
The beauty is that we don't have to come to rural OK to compete. We can =
just let them use whatever stingy amount
of address space you provide to get a tunnel to us.
Owen
