[130333] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com)
Fri Oct 1 08:34:22 2010
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:33:56 +0000
From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>
In-Reply-To: <9997.1285931412@tristatelogic.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car belongs to the thief
> or to someone else. They keep the records for Christ's sake! They *can*
> take a position on that rudumentary, simple, and basic question, and they
> should. And that is all I ask or expect them to do. But they don't
> even want to do that miniscule amount of work, apparently. They want to
> be the Keeper of the Records, but then they want to roll over and play
> dead, or ignorant, or agnostic, whenever somebody has the temerrity to
> simply ask them what the f**king records they are keeping *mean* about
> who actually owns what.
>
> I already said it, but I'll say it again for the benefit of those with
> low reading comprehension. Nobody is asking ARIN to go out, with guns
> drawn, and pull the plug themselves. But they can and should take a
> position on who owns what. That is a judicial function, not a police
> function. If you don't understand the distinction, then you are dumber
> than you think I think you are.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
R,
I have a couple of questions for you...
perhaps I am unclear here. are you asserting that [natural/legal]
persons OWN address space?
Last I checked, ARIN records a binding between a person and a
"Right to Use" agreement that is reflected in the ARIN database.
e.g.
Bills Bait & Sushi has the right to use 168.254.0.0/16
from 01oct1999 - current(*)
* registration fees are current.
ARIN publishes reports from its database in two basic forms,
the WHOIS (et.al.) format and the [ip6/in-addr].arpa DNS format.
Are you suggesting that ARIN does _NOT_ publish data or that
ARIN doesn't keep the data current, or something else?
--bill
