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Re: Numbering nameservers and resolvers

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Tue Aug 17 08:52:41 2010

From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1008171201090.26804@a84-22-97-10.cb3rob.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:52:20 -0400
To: Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org

Sven,

On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

> this whole "you have to put 2 nameservers on two seperate subnets at =
two different locations" seems a bit.. pre-1993 to me.
> plus, why only 2, why not... 20 or so, all in different parts of the =
world and let bgp handle the rest.

There's an important component that is missing from the above.  It's one =
thing to have a single nameserver hosted in such a manner, but through =
operational integration and history there are still a lot of domain =
names that are not fault tolerant.

I remember "in recent years" a ccTLD that ended up without functioning =
services as a result of poor nameserver site selection.

Ideally you would have a system with two geographically diverse =
nameservers for a domain, under seperate (routing) administrative =
control.

One of my former employers backhauled all their legacy nameservers to a =
single site, eg: e[0-2].ns.voyager.net.

While they were originally on diverse subnets and geographical =
locations, this appears to have changed.

Selecting a site outside of your control is valuable.  When I was =
hostmaster@cic.net, we "traded" with mr.net.  These days, if I were in =
the same role, I would want to have three instead of two.  Asia, Europe =
and US someplace.  If US only, east, west and central.

If you look at ntt.net, our "off-net" resolver is 69.36.249.36

This means if there is a ntt meltdown, there's a good chance you can =
still resolve related names off-net.

- Jared=


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