[128667] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Conrad)
Fri Aug 13 23:06:20 2010
From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
In-Reply-To: <8C26A4FDAE599041A13EB499117D3C281647E679@ex-mb-1.corp.atlasnetworks.us>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:05:00 -0700
To: Nathan Eisenberg <nathan@atlasnetworks.us>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Nathan,
On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
>> I'm not against ARIN, I think they have good intentions. I'd like =
to think so anyway.
> Same here. I'm honestly surprised that there is as much dissention =
from this attitude as there seems to be...
I suspect the issue arises when ARIN (or anyone else for that matter) =
attempts to assert dominion over resources folks consider their own. =
That is, in the original scenario John Levine posed:
"1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000
2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B
3. ARIN says no, B hasn't shown that they need it
4. A and B say screw it, and B announces the space anyway"
I believe the point of contention lies in step 3. In the case of the =
38% of the address space described by John Curran as "managed" by ARIN =
with an (L)RSA, there is contractual language that dictates ARIN has =
some authority to "say no". In the remaining 62% of the space =
(according to ARIN), presumably space allocated without any form of RSA, =
the issue is, at least to my mind, far less clear.=20
In the face of this lack of clarity, when you have folks saying things =
like:
"6. ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being =
used by B.
7. ARIN discovers that A is no longer using the space in accordance =
with their RSA
8. ARIN reclaims the space and A and B are left to figure out who =
owes what to whom."
without proviso about whether an (L)RSA is applicable, it isn't =
particularly surprising that folks who can imagine themselves as (or at =
least sympathize with) A or B getting their dander up.
In addition, as/after the IPv4 free pool is exhausted, there are going =
to be lots of folks who discover they have more address space than they =
really need as there are going to be lots of folks who are desperately =
in need of additional IPv4 addresses. This will result in address =
markets. Some people (e.g., I'm guessing Vadim) do not see a role for =
ARIN as mediator of an exchange between these two sets of folks. Others =
believe that there needs to be some 'regulator' of the market or (e.g.) =
speculators will swoop in and buy up all the allocated-but-unused IPv4 =
address space, resulting in those in desperate need of IPv4 addresses =
paying through the nose. Given the arguments between free vs. regulated =
markets generates much heat in pretty much every other economic =
discussion, I'd be surprised if it didn't occur in address markets.
Regards,
-drc
