[128646] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Greg Whynott)
Fri Aug 13 17:42:06 2010
From: Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott@oicr.on.ca>
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:40:10 -0400
In-Reply-To: <1A72F43E-CAC8-4B3A-841D-ADA399FCAF98@puck.nether.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I agree with you. the context around my statement is if the downstream b=
elieved or has some validity to a claim that they are being unjustly treate=
d or over sighted by ARIN (or others). it wasn't about procuring blocks f=
rom a criminal, rather when ARIN says you are no longer entitled to the bl=
ocks they assigned the downstream customer, who believes they are. =20
I'm not against ARIN, I think they have good intentions. I'd like to thin=
k so anyway. =20
take care and have a great weekend,
greg
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From: Jared Mauch [jared@puck.nether.net]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:00 PM
To: Greg Whynott
Cc: Nathan Eisenberg; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Lightly used IP addresses
I know of several large providers that would stop routing such "rogue" spac=
e.
Any provider that isn't prepared to deal with such a possible customer thre=
at or problem you don't want to be associating with. They likely harbor oth=
er badness as well.
It may take some time to catch up to them but we have seen more of these ro=
gue elements end up with people refusing to sell to them or law enforcement=
taking some action.
If your management does not realize they are buying from possible criminals=
, you get what you pay for.
I've found a number of cases where providers are actually doing mitm and st=
ealing SIP credentials for fraud. Make sure you actually have good controls=
and communication for when things hit the fan....
Jared Mauch
On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott@oicr.on.ca> wrote:
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>> I would consider a transit provider who subverted an ARIN revocation to =
be disreputable, and seek other sources of transit.
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> easy to say, but the reality is you may chose not to do so due to logist=
ical, monetary or management/boss reasons which trumps your constitutiona=
lly balanced nature.
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> If someone who was downstream from this provider in a similar situation=
, I'd say there is a stronger propensity for them to not 'do the right thin=
g'. which by the way isn't a law, so who says its right? its a set of=
guide lines a group of folks put together.
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> -g
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