[128642] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Curran)
Fri Aug 13 17:24:57 2010
From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
To: Dan White <dwhite@olp.net>, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:24:46 -0400
In-Reply-To: <20100813211800.GL2669@dan.olp.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dan White wrote:
> On 13/08/10 21:04 -0000, John Levine wrote:
>>> I've tried to deal with that a few times - mainly by writing up the
>>> first upstream AS. Usually they don't care (and every time I have
>>> noticed someone blatantly stealing space, it's been spammers).
>>=20
>> Has there ever been a case where ARIN has tried to take a block back
>> from a party to whom they had allocated it and doesn't want to give it
>> back? My impression is that stolen space is all swamp or legacy or
>> abandoned, but I really don't know.
>>=20
>> In case it's not obvious, I'm not advocating that people thumb their
>> noses at ARIN, but I don't see any obvious way to avoid my scenario.
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> Make a public example of the situation. Assign such a block to an ARIN
> member with extensive legal resources who's willing to send some nasty
> letters out, and back it up with court action to establish legal
> precedence.
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> Or ARIN could do so itself on the grounds of breach of contract.
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> Of course, said block should clearly fall within ARIN's domain, backed up
> with a signed contract from the original party.=20
Yes, we have returns, revocations, and reclamations occurring routinely.=20
They're covered in the same Toronto Registration services report that I=20
referenced earlier on page 5.=20
<https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXV/PDF/Wednesday/N=
obile_RSD.pdf>
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
