[128622] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Nathan Eisenberg)
Fri Aug 13 15:26:52 2010
From: Nathan Eisenberg <nathan@atlasnetworks.us>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:25:56 +0000
In-Reply-To: <1ACD377D-B50A-4DB6-8DA4-87B8682D0367@oicr.on.ca>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
> If someone who was downstream from this provider in a similar situation=
, I'd
> say there is a stronger propensity for them to not 'do the right thing'. =
which by
> the way isn't a law, so who says its right? its a set of guide lines =
a group of
> folks put together.
But the reality is that you asserted your intention to follow those guideli=
nes when you requested the allocation, did you not? =20
If an upstream accepts announcements from a revoked block, what is to stop =
them from accepting announcements for an unallocated block? I realize this=
precariously borders on committing a slippery slope fallacy, but I think i=
t's a valid question to ask - a provider is either 'in compliance' with the=
guidelines, or 'not in compliance' with them. Once you're 'not in complia=
nce' a little bit, how can I have a valid trust relationship with you about=
the rest of it?
> see previous note about SSL being worthless for identity assurance.
Fair enough - serves me right for invoking analogy.
> following a corporation (yes, ARIN is a corporation) as if you were a she=
ep will
> empower them to do precisely this in the future.
There's no sheepism here. The proposed situation represents a valid reason=
for revoking address space under the community developed guidelines. I do=
n't see the problem with following those guidelines, do you?
> How many large carriers on this list would immediately halt announcing a
> downstream-in-good-financial-standing's prefixes just because ARIN say's
> they're delinquent?
That depends. I vote with my wallet. How many carriers want my business, =
and the business of other customers who (reasonably) expect compliance with=
the standing policies? Do you want to do business with someone who's will=
ing to break the rules everyone else is playing by?
Best Regards,
Nathan Eisenberg
Atlas Networks, LLC
