[128281] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Franklin)
Thu Jul 29 17:40:45 2010
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:40:13 +0100
From: Tim Franklin <tim@pelican.org>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <11D30A23-47F6-4B6D-A1A4-A07A6209554C@delong.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Owen DeLong wrote:
> If you want to build a business based on upsell and control by trying
> to convince users that they should give you extra money to provision
> a resource that costs you virtually nothing, then more power to you.
>
> However, I think this will, in the end, be as popular as american
> restaurants that charge for ice water.
Sorry, I need to dial back on the cynicism / sarcasm a bit, it doesn't
travel so well through the tubes - that's a rant about the attitudes I
encounter, not my views!
I *utterly* agree with you that trying to micro-manage the allocation
size on a per-customer basis for high-volume residential / SOHO
connections is a complete waste of resources.
I equally believe that a number of ISPs operating in that market are
going to try, not just one or two crazy outliers, based on the attitudes
I touched on in my rant (which, again, *aren't* mine).
Coming from an IPv4 business model that goes:
Extra for a static IP
Extra for more than one IP
Extra for a contract that doesn't forbid incoming connections
Extra for non-generic reverse DNS
Extra for not blocking IPSec
Extra for...
I fully expect some ISPs to extend that into whatever parts of IPv6 they
can measure and charge for.
> Is probably going to be at a significant competitive disadvantage vs.
> a model that says "You can have whatever address space you can
> justify. We'll start you with 65,536 networks which we believe is way
> more than enough for virtually any residential user. We don't charge
> you anything for address space. We think charging people for integers
> is illogical."
I really hope you're right. I'd love to see the Internet opened back up
again, for everyone.
Regards,
Tim.
