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RE: NANOG Digest, Vol 29, Issue 81
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen Tandy)
Tue Jun 29 09:42:23 2010
From: "Stephen Tandy" <stephen.tandy@trigenis.com>
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1=2E Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation =28Luigi Iannone=29
2=2E Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation =28Tom Pipes=29
3=2E Penetration test vendors =28George Bonser=29
4=2E Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation =28Christopher Gatlin=29
5=2E Global Crossing POC =28Steven Fischer=29
6=2E Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
=28Christopher Morrow=29
7=2E Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
=28Nick Hilliard=29
8=2E Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
=28Jonathan Feldman=29
9=2E Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
=28Stefano Gridelli=29
10=2E Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F =28Randy Bu=
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Message=3A 1
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 15=3A02=3A40 +0200
From=3A Luigi Iannone =3Cluigi=40net=2Et-labs=2Etu-berlin=2Ede=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation
Cc=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A
=09=3C0701129F-F610-4C2A-A1C1-E684E839750C=40net=2Et-labs=2Etu-berlin=2Ede=
=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3Dus-ascii
I recently came across NetKit that seems to offer what you are looking for=
=2E=2E=2E
http=3A//wiki=2Enetkit=2Eorg/index=2Ephp/Main=5FPage
L=2E
On Jun 28=2C 2010=2C at 12=3A32 =2C Lynchehaun=2C Patrick =28Patrick=29 wro=
te=3A
=3E=20
=3E You could use load sbgp/mrtd script to load route dumps=2E There is als=
o bgpsimple http=3A//code=2Egoogle=2Ecom/p/bgpsimple/wiki/README
=3E This also brings up another question=2C anyone know of v6 rib tool on u=
nix to load v6 route dumps=2E
=3E=20
=3E Tks=2C
=3E Patrick=2E
=3E=20
=3E Message=3A 8
=3E Date=3A Sun=2C 27 Jun 2010 22=3A04=3A54 -0400
=3E From=3A Jack Carrozzo =3Cjack=40crepinc=2Ecom=3E
=3E Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation
=3E To=3A giulianocm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr
=3E Cc=3A North American Network Operators Group =3Cnanog=40merit=2Eedu=3E=
=3E Message-ID=3A
=3E =3CAANLkTik=5FiMlcU-GbwJim4VbqT0BtEeAd6AfNBBTn9ArS=40mail=2Egmai=
l=2Ecom=3E
=3E Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
=3E=20
=3E Roll quagga / BGPd on *nix and bring up sessions with whatever you like=
=2E
=3E=20
=3E For full tables=2C you can either hack up a few lines of perl to output=
a bunch of =27network a=2Eb=2Ec=2Ed=27 lines from any of the available tex=
t looking glasses into the bgpd conf=2C or just bring up ebgp-multihop sess=
ion with one of your borders or one of your friends=2E Prefix lists=2C comm=
unities=2C etc are all supported=2E
=3E=20
=3E -Jack Carrozzo
=3E=20
=3E On Sun=2C Jun 27=2C 2010 at 9=3A32 PM=2C GIULIANOCM =28UOL=29 =3Cgiulia=
nocm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr=3Ewrote=3A
=3E=20
=3E=3E People=2C
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E I am looking for a tool =28free or not=29 to simulate BGP full inter=
net
=3E=3E route table peering and injection using real CISCO and JUNIPER route=
rs=2E
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E We have found some power tools like Spirent or Agilent but they are=
a
=3E=3E too expensive to acquire for now=2E
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E The main idea is to have a software tool for unix or linux system=2C=
=3E=3E that supports to simulate a cloud a carrier or an ISP=2C to work wit=
h
=3E=3E real routers=2C establishing connection using BGP protocol and injec=
ting
=3E=3E on this real routers the full internet routing table - ipv4 or ipv6=
=2E
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E Do you know some collection of tools =28software tools=29 that we ca=
n use
=3E=3E to do this kind of work =3F
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E It is possible to collect full internet routing table and inject it=
to
=3E=3E a real router using a software for simulate real conditions =3F
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E Besides=2C the tool will need some additional features in simulation=
=3E=3E like the set of communities=2C local preference=2C med and other BGP=
attributes=2E
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E What do you recommend for this tasks =3F
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E Thanks a lot=2C
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E Giuliano
=3E=3E=20
=3E=3E=20
=3E=20
=3E=20
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Message=3A 2
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 08=3A52=3A53 -0500 =28CDT=29
From=3A Tom Pipes =3Ctom=2Epipes=40t6mail=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation
To=3A lists=40billfehring=2Ecom=2C giulianocm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr
Cc=3A nanog=40merit=2Eedu
Message-ID=3A =3C3368983=2E1033751277733173382=2EJavaMail=2Eroot=40zimbra=
=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3Dutf-8
Hello Giuliano=2C=20
Along with the recommendation of dynamips=2C I would suggest downloading gn=
s3=2C which ties into dynamips=2E=3F You can run the same version of IOS th=
at you are working with in production=2C and there are versions for Windows=
/*nix=2E=20
http=3A//www=2Egns3=2Enet/=20
It acts more like an emulators at first glance=2C and does not seem to have=
the same limitations as some of the other simulators out there=2E=3F Just=
make sure you have the hardware to support it=2E=20
Thanks=2C=20
---=20
Tom Pipes=20
T6 Broadband/=20
Essex Telcom Inc=20
tom=2Epipes=40t6mail=2Ecom=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From=3A =22Bill Fehring=22 =3Clists=40billfehring=2Ecom=3E=20
To=3A giulianocm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr=20
Cc=3A =22North American Network Operators Group=22 =3Cnanog=40merit=2Eedu=
=3E=20
Sent=3A Sunday=2C June 27=2C 2010 11=3A37=3A17 PM=20
Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation=20
Oi Giulianao=2C=20
I=27ve used this in the past to dump a lot of routes into test networks=3A=
=20
http=3A//code=2Egoogle=2Ecom/p/bgpsimple/=20
Tutorial=3A http=3A//evilrouters=2Enet/2009/08/21/getting-bgp-routes-into-d=
ynamips-with-video/=20
There=27s a similar project written in python=2C but I can=27t find it righ=
t now=2E=20
HTH=2C=20
-Bill Fehring=20
On Sun=2C Jun 27=2C 2010 at 18=3A32=2C GIULIANOCM =28UOL=29 =3Cgiulianocm=
=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr=3E wrote=3A=20
=3E People=2C=20
=3E=20
=3E I am looking for a tool =28free or not=29 to simulate BGP full internet=
route=20
=3E table peering and injection using real CISCO and JUNIPER routers=2E=20=
=3E=20
=3E We have found some power tools like Spirent or Agilent but they are a t=
oo=20
=3E expensive to acquire for now=2E=20
=3E=20
=3E The main idea is to have a software tool for unix or linux system=2C th=
at=20
=3E supports to simulate a cloud a carrier or an ISP=2C to work with real r=
outers=2C=20
=3E establishing connection using BGP protocol and injecting on this real=
=20
=3E routers the full internet routing table - ipv4 or ipv6=2E=20
=3E=20
=3E Do you know some collection of tools =28software tools=29 that we can u=
se to do=20
=3E this kind of work =3F=20
=3E=20
=3E It is possible to collect full internet routing table and inject it to=
a=20
=3E real router using a software for simulate real conditions =3F=20
=3E=20
=3E Besides=2C the tool will need some additional features in simulation li=
ke the=20
=3E set of communities=2C local preference=2C med and other BGP attributes=
=2E=20
=3E=20
=3E What do you recommend for this tasks =3F=20
=3E=20
=3E Thanks a lot=2C=20
=3E=20
=3E Giuliano=20
=3E=20
=3E=20
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Message=3A 3
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 08=3A01=3A37 -0700
From=3A =22George Bonser=22 =3Cgbonser=40seven=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Penetration test vendors
To=3A =3Cnanog=40nanog=2Eorg=3E
Message-ID=3A
=09=3C5A6D953473350C4B9995546AFE9939EE09EA4E70=40RWC-EX1=2Ecorp=2Eseven=2Ec=
om=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B=09charset=3D=22us-ascii=22
I would like to thank everyone who provided their recommendations both
on and off list=2E There was a lot of off-list response but not exactly
what I had expected to see=2E I had expected to see a lot of different
vendors but also expected to see a couple that several would recommend=2E=
That really didn=27t happen=2E Practically every single suggestion was a=
different vendor=2E There was one vendor that got multiple
recommendations but it was also the only vendor that multiple people
recommended avoiding=2E In fact=2C it was the only vendor that anyone
recommended to avoid=2E
As I now have a list of many vendors that I didn=27t know existed=2C I will=
sort through the mail later today or tomorrow and consolidate the list=2E=
The lesson seems to be that everyone seems to have someone different
that they trust to test their network and that a more in-depth look at
the recommendations is in order=2E
Thanks again=2C everyone=2E
George
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Message=3A 4
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 11=3A25=3A30 -0500
From=3A Christopher Gatlin =3Cchris=40travelingtech=2Enet=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation
To=3A Tom Pipes =3Ctom=2Epipes=40t6mail=2Ecom=3E
Cc=3A nanog=40merit=2Eedu
Message-ID=3A
=09=3CAANLkTikC-yZHxZGP-BOZh=5FaY0o5FwJoZbc4yeDf=5FWdG4=40mail=2Egmail=2Eco=
m=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
These folks make a tester that loads up BGP very nicely=2E
http=3A//www=2Espirent=2Ecom/
http=3A//www=2Espirent=2Ecom/Solutions-Directory/Smartbits=2Easpx
Chris
On Mon=2C Jun 28=2C 2010 at 8=3A52 AM=2C Tom Pipes =3Ctom=2Epipes=40t6mail=
=2Ecom=3E wrote=3A
=3E
=3E
=3E Hello Giuliano=2C
=3E
=3E
=3E
=3E Along with the recommendation of dynamips=2C I would suggest downloadin=
g
=3E gns3=2C which ties into dynamips=2E You can run the same version of IO=
S that
=3E you are working with in production=2C and there are versions for Window=
s/*nix=2E
=3E
=3E
=3E
=3E http=3A//www=2Egns3=2Enet/
=3E
=3E
=3E
=3E It acts more like an emulators at first glance=2C and does not seem to=
have
=3E the same limitations as some of the other simulators out there=2E Just=
make
=3E sure you have the hardware to support it=2E
=3E
=3E
=3E
=3E Thanks=2C
=3E
=3E
=3E
=3E ---
=3E Tom Pipes
=3E T6 Broadband/
=3E Essex Telcom Inc
=3E tom=2Epipes=40t6mail=2Ecom
=3E
=3E
=3E ----- Original Message -----
=3E From=3A =22Bill Fehring=22 =3Clists=40billfehring=2Ecom=3E
=3E To=3A giulianocm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr
=3E Cc=3A =22North American Network Operators Group=22 =3Cnanog=40merit=2Ee=
du=3E
=3E Sent=3A Sunday=2C June 27=2C 2010 11=3A37=3A17 PM
=3E Subject=3A Re=3A BGP Tool for Simulation
=3E
=3E Oi Giulianao=2C
=3E
=3E I=27ve used this in the past to dump a lot of routes into test networks=
=3A
=3E
=3E http=3A//code=2Egoogle=2Ecom/p/bgpsimple/
=3E
=3E Tutorial=3A
=3E http=3A//evilrouters=2Enet/2009/08/21/getting-bgp-routes-into-dynamips-=
with-video/
=3E
=3E There=27s a similar project written in python=2C but I can=27t find it=
right now=2E
=3E
=3E HTH=2C
=3E
=3E -Bill Fehring
=3E
=3E On Sun=2C Jun 27=2C 2010 at 18=3A32=2C GIULIANOCM =28UOL=29 =3Cgiuliano=
cm=40uol=2Ecom=2Ebr=3E
=3E wrote=3A
=3E =3E People=2C
=3E =3E
=3E =3E I am looking for a tool =28free or not=29 to simulate BGP full inte=
rnet route
=3E =3E table peering and injection using real CISCO and JUNIPER routers=2E=
=3E =3E
=3E =3E We have found some power tools like Spirent or Agilent but they are=
a too
=3E =3E expensive to acquire for now=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E The main idea is to have a software tool for unix or linux system=
=2C that
=3E =3E supports to simulate a cloud a carrier or an ISP=2C to work with re=
al
=3E routers=2C
=3E =3E establishing connection using BGP protocol and injecting on this re=
al
=3E =3E routers the full internet routing table - ipv4 or ipv6=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Do you know some collection of tools =28software tools=29 that we c=
an use to
=3E do
=3E =3E this kind of work =3F
=3E =3E
=3E =3E It is possible to collect full internet routing table and inject it=
to a
=3E =3E real router using a software for simulate real conditions =3F
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Besides=2C the tool will need some additional features in simulatio=
n like
=3E the
=3E =3E set of communities=2C local preference=2C med and other BGP attribu=
tes=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E What do you recommend for this tasks =3F
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Thanks a lot=2C
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Giuliano
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E
=3E
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Message=3A 5
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 15=3A37=3A01 -0400
From=3A Steven Fischer =3Csfischer1967=40gmail=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Global Crossing POC
To=3A NANOG list =3Cnanog=40nanog=2Eorg=3E
Message-ID=3A
=09=3CAANLkTikxjEe=5FVzkVNse5g6rx0n0ApcvjeeLO=5FhzYKVUv=40mail=2Egmail=2Eco=
m=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
Can someone from Global Crossing contact me off-list regarding some routing=
anomolies we are seeing=3F Thanks=2E
--=20
To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his=
glorious presence without fault and with great joy
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Message=3A 6
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 17=3A46=3A00 -0400
From=3A Christopher Morrow =3Cmorrowc=2Elists=40gmail=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
To=3A Jonathan Feldman =3Cjf=40feldman=2Eorg=3E
Cc=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A
=09=3CAANLkTilfqNvjwj3cH9RA9hj=5FJ2-f7N-DxZ4H60sAfkS4=40mail=2Egmail=2Ecom=
=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
On Sun=2C Jun 27=2C 2010 at 9=3A03 AM=2C Jonathan Feldman =3Cjf=40feldman=
=2Eorg=3E wrote=3A
=3E I=27m one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing for=
=3E InformationWeek magazine =28www=2Einformationweek=2Ecom=29=2C and it=27=
s interesting to
=3E me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the limite=
d
=3E pipe networks available in this country=2E For example=2C it=27s not fe=
asible to
=3E do a massive data load through the networks that are currently availabl=
e --
=3E you need to FedEx a hard drive to Amazon=2E =3FHoly cow=2C it=27s Sneak=
erNet for the
=3E 21st Century!
is this a =27this country=27 bandwidth problem or the problem that moving=
10tb of =27corporate data=27 in a =27secure fashion=27 from =27office=27 to=
=27cloud=27 really isn=27t a simple task=3F and that cutting a DB over at a=
point in time =27next tuesday!=27 is far easier done by shipping a
point-in-time copy of the DB via sata-drive than =27holy cow copy this
over the corp ds3=2C while we make sure not to kill it for mail/web/etc
other corporate normal uses=27 =3F
The broadband plan stuff mostly covers consumers=2C not enterprises=2C
most of the =28amazon as the example here=29 cloud folks offer
disk-delivery options for businesses=2E
you seem to be comparing apples to oranges=2C no=3F
-chris
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Message=3A 7
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 22=3A59=3A59 +0100
From=3A Nick Hilliard =3Cnick=40foobar=2Eorg=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
To=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A =3C4C291B5F=2E5030708=40foobar=2Eorg=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
On 27/06/2010 14=3A03=2C Jonathan Feldman wrote=3A
=3E For example=2C it=27s not feasible to do a massive data load through th=
e
=3E networks that are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard drive=
=3E to Amazon=2E Holy cow=2C it=27s SneakerNet for the 21st Century!
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of
=24current=5Fhigh=5Fdensity=5Fstorage=5Fmedia=2E
Nick
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Message=3A 8
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 18=3A26=3A41 -0400
From=3A Jonathan Feldman =3Cjf=40feldman=2Eorg=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
To=3A Christopher Morrow =3Cmorrowc=2Elists=40gmail=2Ecom=3E
Cc=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A =3C8B403135-63AC-4C32-A77A-5483AD6A4931=40feldman=2Eorg=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DUS-ASCII=3B format=3Dflowed=3B dels=
p=3Dyes
More than one person has pointed out that offline media will always be =20=
higher bandwidth than transmission lines =28but nobody with such =20
elegance and hilarity as Nick Hilliard=27s last post=29=2E Point taken=2E=
=20
The question=2C in my mind=2C is whether it=27s reasonable to ask that =20=
regional providers reach the same bar as privately owned campus =20
networks=2E
I don=27t agree with you=2C Christopher=2C that the broadband plan won=27t=
=20
affect corporate users=2E I know that this list =5Fmostly=5F consists of=
=20
operators=2C but I=27ve gotten some offline responses to my initial query=
=20
that seem to indicate that enterprise users utilize SOHO =28consumer =20
grade=2C but with higher speeds=29 for various branch office needs=2E Also=
=2C =20
when a technology gets =22consumerized=22 it tends to create interesting=20=
=20
effects in terms of features and price points=2E
Think of it this way=3A where would corporate mobile phones be without =20=
the consumer effect=3F We=27d still be carrying them around in bags and=20=
=20
only corporate officers would have them=2E
I appreciate everyone=27s response!
On Jun 28=2C 2010=2C at 5=3A46 PM=2C Christopher Morrow wrote=3A
=3E On Sun=2C Jun 27=2C 2010 at 9=3A03 AM=2C Jonathan Feldman =3Cjf=40feldm=
an=2Eorg=3E =20
=3E wrote=3A
=3E=3E I=27m one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing=
for
=3E=3E InformationWeek magazine =28www=2Einformationweek=2Ecom=29=2C and it=
=27s =20
=3E=3E interesting to
=3E=3E me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the=20=
=20
=3E=3E limited
=3E=3E pipe networks available in this country=2E For example=2C it=27s not=
=20
=3E=3E feasible to
=3E=3E do a massive data load through the networks that are currently =20=
=3E=3E available --
=3E=3E you need to FedEx a hard drive to Amazon=2E Holy cow=2C it=27s =20=
=3E=3E SneakerNet for the
=3E=3E 21st Century!
=3E
=3E is this a =27this country=27 bandwidth problem or the problem that movi=
ng
=3E 10tb of =27corporate data=27 in a =27secure fashion=27 from =27office=
=27 to
=3E =27cloud=27 really isn=27t a simple task=3F and that cutting a DB over=
at a
=3E point in time =27next tuesday!=27 is far easier done by shipping a
=3E point-in-time copy of the DB via sata-drive than =27holy cow copy this=
=3E over the corp ds3=2C while we make sure not to kill it for mail/web/etc=
=3E other corporate normal uses=27 =3F
=3E
=3E The broadband plan stuff mostly covers consumers=2C not enterprises=2C=
=3E most of the =28amazon as the example here=29 cloud folks offer
=3E disk-delivery options for businesses=2E
=3E
=3E you seem to be comparing apples to oranges=2C no=3F
=3E
=3E -chris
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Message=3A 9
Date=3A Mon=2C 28 Jun 2010 18=3A30=3A24 -0400
From=3A Stefano Gridelli =3Csgridelli=40gmail=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
To=3A Nick Hilliard =3Cnick=40foobar=2Eorg=3E
Cc=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A
=09=3CAANLkTimHkZKOL2wIb7hw5PUs2Y29B9jVLtcW9G-DAV6e=40mail=2Egmail=2Ecom=3E=
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1
=2E=2E=2E as Andrew T teaches =2E=2E=2E =3AD
On Mon=2C Jun 28=2C 2010 at 5=3A59 PM=2C Nick Hilliard =3Cnick=40foobar=2Eo=
rg=3E wrote=3A
=3E On 27/06/2010 14=3A03=2C Jonathan Feldman wrote=3A
=3E =3E For example=2C it=27s not feasible to do a massive data load throug=
h the
=3E =3E networks that are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard d=
rive
=3E =3E to Amazon=2E Holy cow=2C it=27s SneakerNet for the 21st Century!=
=3E
=3E Never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of
=3E =24current=5Fhigh=5Fdensity=5Fstorage=5Fmedia=2E
=3E
=3E Nick
=3E
=3E
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Message=3A 10
Date=3A Tue=2C 29 Jun 2010 07=3A50=3A10 +0900
From=3A Randy Bush =3Crandy=40psg=2Ecom=3E
Subject=3A Re=3A Broadband initiatives - impact to your network=3F
To=3A Jonathan Feldman =3Cjf=40feldman=2Eorg=3E
Cc=3A nanog=40nanog=2Eorg
Message-ID=3A =3Cm2iq52bwm5=2Ewl=25randy=40psg=2Ecom=3E
Content-Type=3A text/plain=3B charset=3DUS-ASCII
=3E The question=2C in my mind=2C is whether it=27s reasonable to ask that=
=3E regional providers reach the same bar as privately owned campus
=3E networks=2E
you are comparing LAN to WAN=2C never a bright idea
randy
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