[125079] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Payne)
Thu Apr 8 17:26:45 2010
From: John Payne <john@sackheads.org>
In-Reply-To: <r2r3c3e3fca1004081414o21445a23r6abfb8c953429044@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:26:26 -0400
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 8, 2010, at 5:14 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM, John Payne <john@sackheads.org> wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:44 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
>>> I think you'll find that the guy deploying the IPv6-only client -or-
>>> server is going to be in the minority for a long time to come. But =
if
>>> you want to bet against me, more power to you.
>>=20
>> I hope you're right, but you put up the scenario of me being unable =
to get a
>> v4 address. I suspect I won't be the first there, and I hope that by =
the
>> time that is an issue for me, I will be in the majority already :)
>=20
> John,
>=20
> You'll be able to get another v4 address. It'll cost you noticeably
> more than it does now, but you'll be able to afford it. Thing is, if
> you induce me and others to deploy IPv6 now, you may not have to get
> another v4 address then, nor pay for it. So if there's a way you can
> induce me to deploy IPv6 now that doesn't cost you any money now or
> later, well, that's ultimately money that stays in your pocket.
a) if I don't have to get an IPv4 address then Ill be standing up a v6 =
only server, by which time, again, I hope to be in the majority :)
b) ARIN or RIRv6 has costs that are covered by registration fees. How =
does having a whole bunch of freeloaders save me money? Doesn't it =
increase my share of the costs? Doesn't giving you free IPv6 now =
continue my costs into perpetuity whereas just ignoring you may add some =
operational cost until you're either in an insignificant percentage or =
you give up and start playing by the same rules as everyone else?
>=20
> Keeps money in my pocket too since I'll have the same problem, but
> what do you care about that? It's your money that matters, not mine.
>=20
> Inducing behavior that ultimately reduces everybody's cost "serves the
> public interest." That's what organizations like ARIN are for: serving
> the public interest.
But I don't agree that giving you a free ride reduces everyone's costs. =
In fact, I think it increases everyone else's costs.
This comes on top of my annual reading of the distribution of the US tax =
burden.... there are some parallels to be drawn in terms of fairness.
