[125063] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Payne)
Thu Apr 8 16:38:23 2010
From: John Payne <john@sackheads.org>
In-Reply-To: <201004082014.o38KE3WM051378@aurora.sol.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:35:19 -0400
To: Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
>>=20
>>> IPv6-only content won't be meaningful for years yet, and IPv6-only
>>> eyeballs will necessarily be given ways to reach v4 for many years
>>> to come.
>>=20
>> So again, why do WE have to encourage YOU to adopt IPv6?
>> Why should WE care what you do to the point of creating new rules so =
YOU don't have to pay like everyone else?
>=20
> Flip it around: Why should WE care about IPv6? WE would have to sign
> an onerous RSA with ARIN, giving up some of our rights in the process.
> WE have sufficient IP space to sit it out awhile; by doing that, WE
> save cash in a tight economy. WE are not so large that we spend four
> figures without batting an eyelash, so that's attractive.
So don't. If your business plan doesn't involve paying to adopt IPv6, =
don't adopt it.
>=20
> Further, anyone who is providing IPv6-only content has cut off most of
> the Internet, so basically no significant content is available on =
IPv6-
> only. That means there is no motivation for US to jump on the IPv6
> bandwagon.
If you have no motivation, don't jump. You have enough IPv4 space to =
not worry about not being able to get more. Don't create work for =
yourself that you don't need to.
>=20
> Even more, anyone who is on an IPv6-only eyeball network is cut off =
from
> most of the content of the Internet; this means that ISP's will be =
having
> to provide IPv6-to-v4 services. Either they'll be good, or if =
customers
> complain, WE will be telling them how badly their ISP sucks.
Yep, and their ISP will be telling them how you suck because you haven't =
moved with the rest of the world to suppoorting IPv6 (whether or not =
that's true... same as whether or not their ISP sucks is true).
> *I* am personally convinced that IPv6 is great, but on the other hand,
> I do not see so much value in v6 that I am prepared to compel the=20
> budgeting for ARIN v6 fees, especially since someone from ARIN just
> described all the ways in which they fritter away money.
Well, if you join ARIN you could propose policy to get you IPv6 space =
for free, so you can continue to not support the registration services =
you implicitly rely on.
Just sayin'.
> As a result, the state of affairs simply retards the uptake and =
adoption
> of v6 among networks that would otherwise be agreeable to the idea; =
so,
> tell me, do you see that as being beneficial to the Internet community
> at large, or not?
If you have content or eyeballs that are important to me, I will find a =
way of getting to you. If you don't, I don't care.
>=20
> Note that I'm taking a strongly opposing stance for the sake of =
debate,=20
> the reality is a bit softer. Given a moderately good offer, we'd =
almost
> certainly adopt IPv6.
If you gave me salad for free, I'd almost certainly eat healthier.=
